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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-04-2013 22:58
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issoisso wrote:
Strongest team in the race? Methinks so
The Men in Black will eat them for breakfast.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 02-04-2013 23:09
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Alakagom wrote:
Blanco's Giro Lineup
Robert Gesink, Steven Kruijswijk, Wilco Kelderman, Juan Manuel Garate, Jack Bobridge, Paul Martens, Maarten Wynants, Maarten Tjallingii and Stef Clement.
Strong team.
On paper.
Soon it's gonna be a strong team on the pavement.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-04-2013 06:57
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CountArach wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
It would be hilarious if he started to date the girl.
Then he would have permission to pinch her ass and that would be that. How is this so fucking hard for people to understand? No permission = not fine. Permission = fine.
No,world is not so simple. And human relations even more...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-04-2013 06:59
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Strongest team in the race? Methinks so
The Men in Black will eat them for breakfast.
Like everybody else. 
Is Sky lineup already known?
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| juszta |
Posted on 03-04-2013 08:15
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Is Sky lineup already known?
Yup:
WIGGINS Bradley
HENAO Sergio Luis
LOPEZ David
KIRYIENKA Vasil
DOMBROWSKI Joe
CATALDO Dario
URAN Rigoberto
PATE Danny
R.: KENNAUGH Peter
Obviously nothing is final yet. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 03-04-2013 08:18
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Sky sends a strong uhm... train... 
Feyenoord(football) and Kelderman fanboy
PCMdaily Awards: 12x nomination, 9x runner-up, 0x win.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-04-2013 08:27
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juszta wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Is Sky lineup already known?
Yup:
WIGGINS Bradley
HENAO Sergio Luis
LOPEZ David
KIRYIENKA Vasil
DOMBROWSKI Joe
CATALDO Dario
URAN Rigoberto
PATE Danny
R.: KENNAUGH Peter
Obviously nothing is final yet.
Thanks, this is insane, expect unwatchable race.
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| Neilstrong |
Posted on 03-04-2013 08:28
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Jesleyh wrote:
Sky sends a strong uhm... train...
Sky can't send a weak... Train...
They only have doped riders |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-04-2013 08:40
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issoisso wrote:
Also, Astana pre-selection of 8 riders, with another to be named later:
Nibali
Brajkovic
Tiralongo
Kessiakoff
Agnoli
Vanotti
Aru
Huffman
Strongest team in the race? Methinks so
That 9th will be Kangert..thanks to TTT and he is looking also good |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 03-04-2013 10:38
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Sky is going to send a very strong squad. I hope it won't be a boring race -.-". |
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| lorymuse |
Posted on 03-04-2013 12:49
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Yesterday Giuseppe Saronni, Lampre's GM, released a stunning interview stating that "italian cycling is over". He said that next year will be very difficult to see an Italian team in the WT, counting that Lampre is the only one since Cannondale is for the most part American. He said also that even if we have two of the most brilliant talents on the scene, Ulissi and Moser, without money no one can survive.
Counting that in Italy every day 100 companies close i think he might be quite right.. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 03-04-2013 13:02
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lorymuse wrote:
Yesterday Giuseppe Saronni, Lampre's GM, released a stunning interview stating that "italian cycling is over". He said that next year will be very difficult to see an Italian team in the WT, counting that Lampre is the only one since Cannondale is for the most part American. He said also that even if we have two of the most brilliant talents on the scene, Ulissi and Moser, without money no one can survive.
Counting that in Italy every day 100 companies close i think he might be quite right..
That's quite a big statement. I guess the problem with Italian cycling, as I see it, is that it is so focussed on its past champions that it doesn't seem to give enough chances to its future starts. Guys like Ulissi and Aru (or even slightly older ones like Damiano Caruso) just don't seem to be given the leadership chances or even nurturing that they deserve while guys like Basso and Cunego are still around.
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| lorymuse |
Posted on 03-04-2013 13:12
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CountArach wrote:
lorymuse wrote:
Yesterday Giuseppe Saronni, Lampre's GM, released a stunning interview stating that "italian cycling is over". He said that next year will be very difficult to see an Italian team in the WT, counting that Lampre is the only one since Cannondale is for the most part American. He said also that even if we have two of the most brilliant talents on the scene, Ulissi and Moser, without money no one can survive.
Counting that in Italy every day 100 companies close i think he might be quite right..
That's quite a big statement. I guess the problem with Italian cycling, as I see it, is that it is so focussed on its past champions that it doesn't seem to give enough chances to its future starts. Guys like Ulissi and Aru (or even slightly older ones like Damiano Caruso) just don't seem to be given the leadership chances or even nurturing that they deserve while guys like Basso and Cunego are still around.
I didn't make myself clear enough. It's not a problem of talent, it's really all down to money. I can confirm since a live in Italy. He's not saying that the italian cycling movement is dead because there aren't good riders, he's saying that he italian cycling movement is dying because in Italy no one wants to sponsor a cycling team (or even a race) anymore. Big firms haven't any money to invest in a sport, like cycling, that in Italy, is not remunerative.
Lampre is for 60% funded by Koreans, Cannondale is funded at 100% by Americans,even if the management is Italian.
Next year probably will be worse. I see a lot of smaller teams and races disappear next year. Same will be for the Spanish cycling movement. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 03-04-2013 13:13
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The days of Valkenburg are over. There are some bright prospects now with Ulissi, Moser, Nizzolo but are they strong enough to become as dominant as Bettini, Basso, Rebellin, Di Luca, Petacchi and others were 10 years ago? I don't think so. The fact that Luca Paolini who was a domestique back then is still one of the country's best riders at the moment says much.
Edited by Spilak23 on 03-04-2013 13:13
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| CountArach |
Posted on 03-04-2013 13:14
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lorymuse wrote:
CountArach wrote:
lorymuse wrote:
Yesterday Giuseppe Saronni, Lampre's GM, released a stunning interview stating that "italian cycling is over". He said that next year will be very difficult to see an Italian team in the WT, counting that Lampre is the only one since Cannondale is for the most part American. He said also that even if we have two of the most brilliant talents on the scene, Ulissi and Moser, without money no one can survive.
Counting that in Italy every day 100 companies close i think he might be quite right..
That's quite a big statement. I guess the problem with Italian cycling, as I see it, is that it is so focussed on its past champions that it doesn't seem to give enough chances to its future starts. Guys like Ulissi and Aru (or even slightly older ones like Damiano Caruso) just don't seem to be given the leadership chances or even nurturing that they deserve while guys like Basso and Cunego are still around.
I didn't make myself clear enough. It's not a problem of talent, it's really all down to money. I can confirm since a live in Italy. He's not saying that the italian cycling movement is dead because there aren't good riders, he's saying that he italian cycling movement is dying because in Italy no one wants to sponsor a cycling team (or even a race) anymore. Big firms haven't any money to invest in a sport, like cycling, that in Italy, is not remunerative.
Lampre is for 60% funded by Koreans, Cannondale is funded at 100% by Americans,even if the management is Italian.
Next year probably will be worse. I see a lot of smaller teams and races disappear next year. Same will be for the Spanish cycling movement.
Oh yeah I understood what you mean but I guess my point is that if there were more support for these younger riders in Italian teams more companies might be willing to come forward as young Italians get results. But certainly money is going to be an issue regardless.
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 03-04-2013 13:34
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Fuck.
Flecha just got linked to Fuentes.
It's not on the English websites yet, but the Dutch newspaper Volkskrant (generally reliable) published an article on him.
https://www.volksk...ntes.dhtml
The paper concluded this after doing its own research. It claims that from Fuentes's administration, one can conclude that Flecha got his blood tapped four times by Fuentes back in 2006. The article doesn't state how the paper got access to their administration, how they came to the conclusion or how they can prove it.
It does state however that Flecha's codename was Clasicomano and his "customer number" was 33. I am not sure if this makes sense. Clasicomano Luigi is a name that has been linked to Cancellara and Thomas Dekker. This article links it to Dekker, and I am unsure how this relates to yet another Clasicomano.
The article lists several 2006 dates from the administration:
19th January: Blood tapped
3 days before Tirreno: Blood inserted
3 days before RVV: Blood inserted. Flecha finished 11th in this race.
24th April: Blood tapped twice, one day after LBL
13th May: Blood tapped
23rd May: Fuentes arrested, administration confiscated
How this lines up with Flecha's programme in 2006 is unclear to me.
The article further states that Flecha (I'm guessing they mean both the name and the alias) doesn't show up in Fuentes's phone records. The article implies that this is possibly because he had his transfusions done by Alberto Leon, one of Fuentes's helpers who committed suicide.
All of this is coming at a very bad time for Dutch cycling as a whole, as it was literally yesterday that the results of the anti-doping questionnaire held by all the Dutch WT teams came out: All of the riders stated that they never doped.
Personally, I think the research of the Volkskrant is probably legit, and that Flecha doped in 2006. Now, 7 years later, I don't know. I don't want to assume that he is doping now because he is linked to the 2006 case.
Of course, all of this is disastrous for VacansoleilDCM's image, and I'm pissed at Luijkx for constantly signing washed-up aging riders from Spain and other similar areas. He's taking a huge risk every time and it hurts the team and especially their young riders. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-04-2013 13:40
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Spilak23 wrote:
The days of Valkenburg are over. There are some bright prospects now with Ulissi, Moser, Nizzolo but are they strong enough to become as dominant as Bettini, Basso, Rebellin, Di Luca, Petacchi and others were 10 years ago? I don't think so. The fact that Luca Paolini who was a domestique back then is still one of the country's best riders at the moment says much.
Well, almost all you mentioned dominated the sport thanks to doping, now the other states dominate thanks to...marginal gains.
Lets hope the new generation in Italy is clean, rider like Ulissi,Moser can dominate again in the future, hopefully in cleaner fight. But they cant fight with the dopers...
The economical problems, that is reality, if people have every day financial problems and companies are closing the factories, it would be somewhat stupid to give that money to "entertainment" without big gains from it. Sad, but real.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 03-04-2013 13:40
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-04-2013 13:51
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Don't confuse number 33 Clasicomano (that that paper alleges is Flecha) with number 24 Clasicomano Luigi (Gee I wonder who that might be)
On a totally and completely unrelated subject, Cancellara just crashed at the Scheldeprijs
EDIT: Flecha's teams since 2006 btw are Rabobank, Sky and Vacansoleil. It's like he intentionally picked out the most suspicious teams. Was Katusha busy?
Spilak23 wrote:The fact that Luca Paolini who was a domestique back then is still one of the country's best riders at the moment says much.
Paolini was anything but a domestique, he was one of the brightest young u23 stars and became a classics contender almost instantly after turning pro. He was, simply put, a star. Never a domestique
Avin Wargunnson wrote:Well, almost all you mentioned dominated the sport thanks to doping, now the other states dominate thanks to...marginal gains.
Lets hope the new generation in Italy is clean, rider like Ulissi,Moser can dominate again in the future, hopefully in cleaner fight. But they cant fight with the dopers...
Considering the doctors that Lampre and Cannondale employ, the chance those teams are clean is somewhere between zero and 0
This is why I could not care less if Saronni's team folds and he takes his doping somewhere else other than cycling
Edited by issoisso on 03-04-2013 14:01
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| fickman |
Posted on 03-04-2013 14:10
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Neil Stephens (Orica-Greenedge) is considering to start focusing in Grand Tours for next year also. Rui Costa (Movistar) whos contract end this year has been linked to Orica-Greenedge |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-04-2013 19:40
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Flecha linked to Fuentes ? Damn it.
Honestly, I never thought of that. Word here had always been that he and Freire were Ferrari's patients. I'm shocked by that lack of loyalty. 
About Italian cycling, it's sad for the races, there are tons of interesting ones in Italy. But about the teams ? Really, I couldn't care less, as issoisso stated, their best teams are and have been rotten to the core, and their amateur cycling is no better (I've read countless stories of espoirs doping and of various cheating in those categories).
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