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gotlandrules wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
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So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere?? Look at his results before that. Twice Juniors ITT world champion, 2nd place in U23 ITT WC in 2000, national TT champion twice by then, had won several prologues and ITTs including Tour de Suisse and Romandie`s prologue in 2003.. I've no idea where you got the "out of nowhere" from.
Brits don't have any good arguments, that's why they just stick with the head in the sand being totally naive tactics.
I am using the fact that they hvnt failed or missed a doping test
Those who say sky is doped are just yelling it, with no scientific evidence
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fcancellara wrote:
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gotlandrules wrote:
Yes Froome missed 2 years with illness, that should make him 2 years behind with real training? not make him a world beater when hes suddenly healthy.. how can you brits be so naive and not even suspect something might be wrong? i hope they are not doped, i truly do. But to say this is not suspicious is fucking retarded.
Dont like the word suspicious. Its surprising, but not out of the blue.
It suspicious when a test gets missed or the result not reported.
Wiggins put 1'30ish into Evans in the Dauphine. Sky said he had more to give, and put 1'43ish into Evans today. Not evidence for not doping, but makes it less surprising (wiggins at least)
That is Wiggins level since 2009. Same time Aicar started being mentioned, I believe, in the year of the anorexic looking GC contenders.
I've always thought Froome and Horner lok anorexic...
Isso and Aquarius will know better than me, but I believe from what I read here, it would have that sort of effect:
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| felix_29 |
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TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere? He already had two prologue wins in the TdS and Romandie in 2003.
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TheManxMissile wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere?? Look at his results before that. Twice Juniors ITT world champion, 2nd place in U23 ITT WC in 2000, national TT champion twice by then, had won several prologues and ITTs including Tour de Suisse and Romandie`s prologue in 2003.. I've no idea where you got the "out of nowhere" from.
ok fine ignore the nowhere
wiggins has prior tt results but still people claim hes doped
Wiggins isn't as suspicious because we know he is great. But Froome...
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Some of Armstrong's teammates has already been caught. There is at least some evidence that makes questioning Armstrong reasonable. However we still have yet to see the same with this Sky team, so why bother speculating? I'm sure that if you take a look at watts we won't see the same extreme levels as some of the best climbers during the 90s, so it's not like they're inhuman or anything. |
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felix_29 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere? He already had two prologue wins in the TdS and Romandie in 2003.
Plus he was in the Mapei U23 squad, so something was seen in him as a youngster. |
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baseballlover312 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere?? Look at his results before that. Twice Juniors ITT world champion, 2nd place in U23 ITT WC in 2000, national TT champion twice by then, had won several prologues and ITTs including Tour de Suisse and Romandie`s prologue in 2003.. I've no idea where you got the "out of nowhere" from.
ok fine ignore the nowhere
wiggins has prior tt results but still people claim hes doped
Wiggins isn't as suspicious because we know he is great. But Froome...
Still think Wiggins went from being bad uphill to decent in 2009(?) is pretty wierd but i can buy that. Froome on the other hand.. |
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TheManxMissile wrote:
gotlandrules wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere?? Look at his results before that. Twice Juniors ITT world champion, 2nd place in U23 ITT WC in 2000, national TT champion twice by then, had won several prologues and ITTs including Tour de Suisse and Romandie`s prologue in 2003.. I've no idea where you got the "out of nowhere" from.
Brits don't have any good arguments, that's why they just stick with the head in the sand being totally naive tactics.
I am using the fact that they hvnt failed or missed a doping test
Those who say sky is doped are just yelling it, with no scientific evidence
So you think Armstrong is clean?
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baseballlover312 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere?? Look at his results before that. Twice Juniors ITT world champion, 2nd place in U23 ITT WC in 2000, national TT champion twice by then, had won several prologues and ITTs including Tour de Suisse and Romandie`s prologue in 2003.. I've no idea where you got the "out of nowhere" from.
ok fine ignore the nowhere
wiggins has prior tt results but still people claim hes doped
Wiggins isn't as suspicious because we know he is great. But Froome...
On Saturday you wer syaing Porte, Rogers etc, must all be doped so are they, or is it just froome?
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madzdaman wrote:
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Froome was 11 minutes out of the 08 TT.
He was out for two years with illness. Comes back to astound in the Vuelta before crushing in the tour.
Sound familiar? It's almost the exact same story. Why is it so hard for people to read when it comes to Froome.
67 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) HTC-Highroad 0:05:11----2011 tdf tt
i know its not the same margin but...its still a significant gain
I'll never say a cyclist isn't doping, but TJVG's results show a rather steady progression rather than a rocket ship to the top. He's a TT specialist that occasionally gets a good GC result. Plus in 2011, it was his first grand tour and he was working for Cav. He's a year more experienced, and he's not at the front all the time pulling for a sprint. |
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Posted on 09-07-2012 16:48
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CLURPR wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Froome was 11 minutes out of the 08 TT.
He was out for two years with illness. Comes back to astound in the Vuelta before crushing in the tour.
Sound familiar? It's almost the exact same story. Why is it so hard for people to read when it comes to Froome.
He wasn't 11 minutes you idiot, if you looked properly at the post, the guy posted the GC table not the stage standings!
Geert Leinders is evidence. Left Rabobank after Rasmussen was dismissed due to a new "no doping policy". Then he joins Sky and BOOM they are insane.
And now look at Rabobank. All are falling through. NO GEERT LEINDERS. |
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Posted on 09-07-2012 16:49
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baseballlover312 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped \
Cancellara won the junior world TT twice and 2nd in U23. His national champs at 22. several prologues and TTs at Romanie and Suisse. He is kinda like Van Garderen. And he was young. When he won those he toook white with yellow. Your theory is of. Froome never had results like that.
Wrong. He was 2nd in the "B" World Championships in 2007, only being beaten by the living legend that is Haijun Ma.
HAIJUN MA dude!
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jph27 wrote:
felix_29 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So Cancellara doped back in 2004 when he won the opening prologue out of nowhere?
I mean he had to beat someone already doped
Out of nowhere? He already had two prologue wins in the TdS and Romandie in 2003.
Plus he was in the Mapei U23 squad, so something was seen in him as a youngster.
Don't forget that he won the Junior Time Trial World Championship race twice.
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| sutty68 |
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Coop wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Coop wrote:
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SKY = Hard work = Hard Training = Results 
Pretty sure Armstrong and Postal/Disco used that same story. What's your feelings on them?
The whole team were dopers as we already know 
So you agree that Sky are probably doping then!
No not at all, when Cofidis left the TDF in 2007 due to a failed dope test, Wiggins was going to retire from the sport, but was talked into continuing in the sport he loves, so NO he will not dope.
As for the others, the Team Sky regime is totally focused on training and fitness and is finally showing signs of working. Dont forget this is the third year of all these implementations so it has not just happened overnight  |
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jph27 wrote:
Rin wrote:
Froome reminds me a bit of Stefan Schumacher:
- At youth etc. no results at all
- Were at the beginning in a team that had a diffrent thinking wise about doping
- Are at a team with suspicious people -> riders or staff
- Surprising a lot by taking Tour stages and doing very very well in TTs
Sky look cleaner than Telekom. Not saying a lot though.
he rode for Gerolsteiner sunshine. Remember Kohl? |
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Posted on 09-07-2012 16:51
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Likkivi wrote:
Took this from another site:
Gert Leinders, Sky,s Team Dr Has an "Interesting" History.
Forums elswhere are buzzing with incredulity at whats going on and the desciption "UK Postal" is geting used and it most certainly aint a compliment. ....and then we have this little revelation : "Leinders was team doctor for Sigma, Histor, Panasonic and Lotto before becoming team doctor for Rabobank in 1996. He left Rabobank in 2009 citing 'dissatisfaction with the policies of the new management of the cycling team'.
According to Rabobank one of those new policies bought in between 2007 and July 2009 was a 'zero tolerance' attitude to doping, a policy that followed an internal investigation into the use of doping within the team during the period Leinders was the team doctor, an investigation that was triggered by Michael Rasmussen’s expulsion from the Tour de France"
There's the evidence.
I noticed this argument stands alone. It's settled.
Now it's just a question of time before it leads to a ban. |
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| jph27 |
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Rin wrote:
Froome reminds me a bit of Stefan Schumacher:
- At youth etc. no results at all
- Were at the beginning in a team that had a diffrent thinking wise about doping
- Are at a team with suspicious people -> riders or staff
- Surprising a lot by taking Tour stages and doing very very well in TTs
Sky look cleaner than Telekom. Not saying a lot though.
he rode for Gerolsteiner sunshine. Remember Kohl?
Yes, but in the beginning he rode for Telekom. Too be fair, Barloworld didn't look too clean either, but not as bad as some. |
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sutty68 wrote:
Coop wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Coop wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
SKY = Hard work = Hard Training = Results
Pretty sure Armstrong and Postal/Disco used that same story. What's your feelings on them?
The whole team were dopers as we already know
So you agree that Sky are probably doping then!
No not at all, when Cofidis left the TDF in 2007 due to a failed dope test, Wiggins was going to retire from the sport, but was talked into continuing in the sport he loves, so NO he will not dope.
As for the others, the Team Sky regime is totally focused on training and fitness and is finally showing signs of working. Dont forget this is the third year of all these implementations so it has not just happened overnight
The improvements did.
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sutty68 wrote:
Coop wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Coop wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
SKY = Hard work = Hard Training = Results
Pretty sure Armstrong and Postal/Disco used that same story. What's your feelings on them?
The whole team were dopers as we already know
So you agree that Sky are probably doping then!
No not at all, when Cofidis left the TDF in 2007 due to a failed dope test, Wiggins was going to retire from the sport, but was talked into continuing in the sport he loves, so NO he will not dope.
As for the others, the Team Sky regime is totally focused on training and fitness and is finally showing signs of working. Dont forget this is the third year of all these implementations so it has not just happened overnight
Didn't the rabobank dope-doctor join around the same time though? =) |
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partial evidence
one doesn't simply maul Cancellara in a TT for their first stage win (Wiggins)
can't really comment on Froome, he got away with it in the Vuelta didn't he? (doesn't look too dissimilar to now)
plus you look at Froome's results in the 09 Giro, consistently around 30th in the TTs (or stage 12 and the final stage), bearing in mind that the specialists weren't racing those |
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