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Critérium du Dauphiné 2012 | 3rd - 10th June
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| fickman |
Posted on 02-06-2012 13:37
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kumazan wrote:
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Wiggins is trying to win the Tour. He isn't there to entertain people along the way. He will do what he has to do to maximise his chances. Anything else would just be stupid.
Once again, no one is arguing with why he is doing this. The point is that the only way he can win is not exciting. As a fan, I want to see something exciting, not just grinding TT style up a climb then winning every TT along the way.
If it's boring, it's not Wiggins' fault, but the climbers' fault for not being able to drop him.
J Rod manage to drop him 2 times in the Dauphiné last year, Stage 6 and 7. So its not imposible for the Climbers to drop him in Mountain Stages, but its imposible for the climbers to beat him at TT. Wiggins won the Dauphiné 11 in the TT and probably will win also the Tour in the TT´s too. Some people like when races are won in the Mountains others in the TT. I prefer when races are won in the Mountains. In my opinion Wiggins will make the Dauphiné and the Tour interesting because he will force Climbers to get crazy in the "Mountains" Let see if someone besides Andy Schleck will have the Balls to attack. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-06-2012 13:41
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fickman wrote:
In my opinion Wiggins will make the Dauphiné and the Tour interesting because he will force Climbers to get crazy in the "Mountains".
Which is exactly what I meant. 
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 02-06-2012 14:18
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litllemagnum wrote:
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Really ?
What did Rodriguez do at Giro on Stage 20 with Hesjedal. Wheel-sucked the shit out of him for 8km and then magically attacked with 1km to go... my god what a achievement.
Valverde is the biggest wheel-scuker in the peleton by far. Wiggins is not a wheel-scuker. He's a climber like Basso, that can't really attack and will have to ride people of his wheel. Would you call Basso a wheel sucker ?
You can't really compare Rodriguez with Wiggins cause Wiggins never attacks and Basso isn't the best of examples too cause apart from the Vuelta last year Wiggins never rode somebody of his wheel  He is a good rider though and doesn't wheel-suck more than any other rider. Would be nice if he wins here instead of the Tour. I like him more for one-week stage races 
I am not comparing them Just saying who's the wheel-sucker and who's not Perfect example of that was stage 10, Civitavecchia - Assisi. He wheel-sucked the life out of Slagter and in last few hundreds meters overtook him and won the race. Nothing magical wheel-sucking young Dutchman for 2km's. I really like Purito and his attacks, but he's one-dimensional with his attacks too.
Calling Wiggins a wheel-sucker is wrong as he isn't in 2012. He rides with his team and they set tempo and he finishes it off with his tempo. Others wheel-suck him.
Perfect example of that was Mende in Paris Nice 2012. Sky controlled it and at the end Wiggo took pace. He dropped everyone and few wheel-sucked him to the end ( Valverde ). Westra although managed to escape and create good gap, which means it's possible to disrupt his tempo.
fickman, no point comparing Dauhpine as Purito was coming from peak at Giro, whereas Wiggins was peaking for Tour. Although it's easily possible to drop Wiggins with hard pace and attacks obviously.
Overall, this year he's stronger and has better morale but he will be dropped somewhere imo. But calling him a wheel-sucker is wrong.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-06-2012 18:11
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fickman wrote:probably will win also the Tour
Thanks, I needed a laugh
Edited by issoisso on 02-06-2012 18:11
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 02-06-2012 18:15
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You guys seem to forget that Rodriguez is basically the 2nd Valverde. He uses the same tactic as him so it's stupid to say Valverde is the upper-wheelsucker and that we should respect Rodriguez cause he attacks..
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| kumazan |
Posted on 02-06-2012 18:39
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issoisso wrote:
fickman wrote:probably will win also the Tour
Thanks, I needed a laugh
You don't believe he can win the Tour or that he can win Dauphiné AND Tour?
Edited by kumazan on 02-06-2012 18:39
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 02-06-2012 19:08
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Is this about the Dauphiné or Wiggens 
I just hope for a nice race and a good result for Daniel en Tony Martin |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-06-2012 19:14
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
fickman wrote:probably will win also the Tour
Thanks, I needed a laugh
You don't believe he can win the Tour or that he can win Dauphiné AND Tour? Even though I'm not the one who's asked the question, I'll state my opinion. I believe he can do it this year, but I don't think he will. |
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| Smal |
Posted on 02-06-2012 20:15
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Hopefully Wiggins finishes outside the top three here at Dauphiné and pulls a few faces along the way and generally looks knackered. Should mean he's in top form for the tour that way.
As a fan of Wiggins/Sky/GB etc, a GT in which Wiggins is challenging will never be not exciting for me. It certainly won't be any worse than the Giro anyway. |
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| Squire |
Posted on 02-06-2012 20:29
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Wheel-sucking is such a ridiculous term. It's all tactics, it's all done for a reason. If someone wins by "wheel-sucking", it's probably that tactic that works best for them.
Take Valverde, why should he attack when he can easily win in a sprint? It's up to everybody else to get rid of him. That he didn't attack on Mende when he needed time was because he was on the limit.
Also, Rodriguez is most successful when he does his 1km sprint thing. After so many years, he obviously knows what works best for him.
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Posted on 02-06-2012 20:42
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Squire wrote:
Wheel-sucking is such a ridiculous term. It's all tactics, it's all done for a reason. If someone wins by "wheel-sucking", it's probably that tactic that works best for them.
thats a fact |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 02-06-2012 21:05
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1. WESTRA Lieuwe 11:40:00
20. EVANS Cadel 11:59:00
41. VINOKOUROV Alexandre 12:20:00
49. MARTIN Tony 12:28:00
60. ROLLAND Pierre 12:39:00
131. FROOME Christopher 13:50:00
148. VOECKLER Thomas 14:07:00
165. SANCHEZ Samuel 14:24:00
167. NIBALI Vincenzo 14:26:00
168. SCHLECK Andy 14:27:00
171. MENCHOV Denis 14:30:00
172. VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 14:31:00
173. BRAJKOVIC Janez 14:32:00
175. WIGGINS Bradley 14:34:00
There's big chance of rain in afternoon, so likes of Wiggins might be a little bit screwed for this prologue.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 02-06-2012 21:06
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Westra or Martin to take the win, then. Or an outsider. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-06-2012 21:16
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
fickman wrote:probably will win also the Tour
Thanks, I needed a laugh
You don't believe he can win the Tour or that he can win Dauphiné AND Tour?
I don't believe it's very likely he'll win the Tour.
This is how I rate his GC ability: Even though he is in the best form of his life, with an extremely strong team, and has the unbelievable luck that every single other contender* has gone through major problems, which has never happened before in the history of the Tour that i can remember...I still don't think he'll win.
Possible? Anything is possible. But even Nibali is likely to beat him.
* (I don't consider Schleck a contender with this route)
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 02-06-2012 21:38
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I'm curious too - what makes you think he can't win? There's barely any mountain stages, lots of TT'ing - should suit him perfectly. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 02-06-2012 21:40
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issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
fickman wrote:probably will win also the Tour
Thanks, I needed a laugh
You don't believe he can win the Tour or that he can win Dauphiné AND Tour?
I don't believe it's very likely he'll win the Tour.
This is how I rate his GC ability: Even though he is in the best form of his life, with an extremely strong team, and has the unbelievable luck that every single other contender* has gone through major problems, which has never happened before in the history of the Tour that i can remember...I still don't think he'll win.
Possible? Anything is possible. But even Nibali is likely to beat him.
* (I don't consider Schleck a contender with this route)
every other contender went through something? help me out here
Evans - Ok he had some injuries in the spring, true.
Menchov - knee injury bugging him all season long so far
Sanchez - None that i no of? But maybe you know something
Nibali - nothing that i know of?
Gesink - broken leg 8 months ago
Van den Broeck - broken shoulder and a lot of other stuff TDF 2011
who else? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-06-2012 21:54
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I went off to lunch right now (yes lunch, been carrying furniture and appliances for 9 hours straight into the new house) thinking "Forgot Sánchez. Must remember to edit in that he hasn't had troubles"
Now I also noticed I wrote "Schleck" instead of "F. Schleck". Too tired. Need bed.
Anyway,
Contador is suspended until shortly after the Tour
Valverde is coming back from a suspension and past history shows coming back in the first season at top level is impossible.
Andy Schleck has huge internal friction with the team director
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 02-06-2012 22:56
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Spilak23 wrote:
You guys seem to forget that Rodriguez is basically the 2nd Valverde. He uses the same tactic as him so it's stupid to say Valverde is the upper-wheelsucker and that we should respect Rodriguez cause he attacks..
Spilak, This is the most truthful comment i have heard in ages |
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| ruben |
Posted on 02-06-2012 23:31
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I find both Valverde and Rodriguez boring in mountain stages. (not in hills where they do the occasional early attacks...) They both do the same although I would like to note Valverde saves his attacks to even the last 200m sprint.. he rides mountains like a sprinter.
Rodriguez attacks at 1km/800m to go. But it's still a negative style of racing.
Wiggins isn't really a wheelsucker, as soon as others attack he takes up the pace himself when his team is gone and ride his own pace up the climb. It might not be a spectacular as an acceleration, but its still sort-of-an attack/counter attack to me.
Same with Evans, Basso, Gesink and other tempo climbers. People mistakenly see an acceleration as the only form of attack. While a steadily increasing pace is actually an attack as well... (because it drops riders!) |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 02-06-2012 23:42
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Fair points indeed ruben |
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