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| jt1109 |
Posted on 11-02-2012 00:27
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mb2612 wrote:
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China has as many Continental races as Norway and Canada combined, more than Australia and Britain combined, twice as many as Switzerland.
Just because you don't think it should have races, doesn't mean that it shouldn't.
And how many People turn up to watch these races?
I don't know, but more people ride in them, and they have been around longer, than the tour of Britain.
Surely the amount of people riding in the races doesn't matter? If 700 amateurs turned up to to the a race or 100 Professionals then you can't say the one with 700 amatuers is better. And the Tour of Beijing has been around for 1 year so surely that shouldn't have gone WT staright away? |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 11-02-2012 00:30
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jt1109 wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
China has as many Continental races as Norway and Canada combined, more than Australia and Britain combined, twice as many as Switzerland.
Just because you don't think it should have races, doesn't mean that it shouldn't.
And how many People turn up to watch these races?
I don't know, but more people ride in them, and they have been around longer, than the tour of Britain.
Surely the amount of people riding in the races doesn't matter? If 700 amateurs turned up to to the a race or 100 Professionals then you can't say the one with 700 amatuers is better. And the Tour of Beijing has been around for 1 year so surely that shouldn't have gone WT staright away?
It's not how many turn up to watch. It's who (and how much money they have) turns up to watch.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 11-02-2012 00:39
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That, and races should just be given WT status in year 1 anyway. It seems to be this title the UCI just chucks around, it should be reserved for the prestigious races.
Personal opinion of course.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 11-02-2012 09:04
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The Chinese government is investing in cycling. The horror. Man, how angry would I be if the Aussie government did that, or the Kazak, or the Spanish, or Italian, or British, or any other country in Europe.
Stop decrying the fact that foreigners want a part of the cycling pie, the fact they want to grow it in their own nation, and celebrate the expansion into non traditional cycling countries.
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| MrDemus |
Posted on 11-02-2012 09:11
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doddy13 wrote:
That, and races should just be given WT status in year 1 anyway. It seems to be this title the UCI just chucks around, it should be reserved for the prestigious races.
Personal opinion of course.
That basically sums up my feelings. The WT is devalued if you can just make a race, and get a WT stamp. Instead they should reward classic races, that has a history.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 11-02-2012 09:27
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Those races don't have the budget typically, Paris Tours saves money by not being WT and the big sprinters come anyway, why would they bother.
Hangzhou is trying to attract tourists and show off the city by arranging for the best cyclists in the world to be there. I just hope it's a decent course, which it could be if they are prepared to block off some villages.
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| MrDemus |
Posted on 11-02-2012 09:30
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mb2612 wrote:
Those races don't have the budget typically, Paris Tours saves money by not being WT and the big sprinters come anyway, why would they bother.
Hangzhou is trying to attract tourists and show off the city by arranging for the best cyclists in the world to be there. I just hope it's a decent course, which it could be if they are prepared to block off some villages.
Of course it can't be forced onto them, but surely there are some ambitious HC races that want to step up.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 11-02-2012 09:38
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MrDemus wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Those races don't have the budget typically, Paris Tours saves money by not being WT and the big sprinters come anyway, why would they bother.
Hangzhou is trying to attract tourists and show off the city by arranging for the best cyclists in the world to be there. I just hope it's a decent course, which it could be if they are prepared to block off some villages.
Of course it can't be forced onto them, but surely there are some ambitious HC races that want to step up.
Yeah, Hainan and Quinghai 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-02-2012 10:42
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dienblad wrote:
I work in an elderly home, and Longo, although she's "only" 52, looks like she fits there...........
Have we found an effect of long time-doping uage, or am I just speculating??????
Anyway, give that woman a wheelchair and continue with real sport.
As far as my knowledge goes : generally-speaking, pro-sportsmen and women are the not the brightest class of population, so their thinking is weaker from the start. Then using stuff like amphetamines, or anything that'd "unplug" the mind surely makes no good and accelerates the degenerating process.
EPO ? I used to hear or read that we only have a limited amount of red cells ready to go, for all our lives. Enough for a random person to live 160 or 170 years. That would be the physical limit of a natural longevity anyway. With EPO you produce more red cells than you'd normally would, picking among those reserved amounts.
Comes a point when you could lack available red cells if you've used EPO from a very young age till a very late age. Obviously Longo didn't start EPO before turning 30 or 35.
What happens when you have no more red cells ? Either you'll need constant transfusion, either the theory is wrong, either you'll start getting bone cancer, spleen cancer, etc.
Steroids ? Makes you manly (ok for guys, to a certain extent, but for girls ?), strengthens your muscles, tires tour tendons (they don't grow with steroids). Makes you more injury prone on the long term.
Generally, I'd say heavy doping is like living more on a defined amount of time, so that exhausts your body faster. Many pro sportsman (who've likely been doping) tend to die at a younger age than people who're they're age, I think. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 11-02-2012 12:39
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mb2612 wrote:
Those races don't have the budget typically, Paris Tours saves money by not being WT and the big sprinters come anyway, why would they bother.
Hangzhou is trying to attract tourists and show off the city by arranging for the best cyclists in the world to be there. I just hope it's a decent course, which it could be if they are prepared to block off some villages.
So allow opt-out but be selective as to what races are in it.
Basically this new china race is "more prestigous" (officially anyway) than some already established races. I refuse to believe that.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-02-2012 12:50
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doddy13 wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Those races don't have the budget typically, Paris Tours saves money by not being WT and the big sprinters come anyway, why would they bother.
Hangzhou is trying to attract tourists and show off the city by arranging for the best cyclists in the world to be there. I just hope it's a decent course, which it could be if they are prepared to block off some villages.
So allow opt-out but be selective as to what races are in it.
Basically this new china race is "more prestigous" (officially anyway) than some already established races. I refuse to believe that.
So is the Tour Down Under. And those new Canadian races are 'more prestigious' than Paris - Tours or the Omloop as well. The WT is a joke, and, to be honest, I don't care about it anymore. If the route is good, then fine for me. If we got a TDU or TOBeijing 2.0, then too bad.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 11-02-2012 13:08
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kumazan wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Those races don't have the budget typically, Paris Tours saves money by not being WT and the big sprinters come anyway, why would they bother.
Hangzhou is trying to attract tourists and show off the city by arranging for the best cyclists in the world to be there. I just hope it's a decent course, which it could be if they are prepared to block off some villages.
So allow opt-out but be selective as to what races are in it.
Basically this new china race is "more prestigous" (officially anyway) than some already established races. I refuse to believe that.
So is the Tour Down Under. And those new Canadian races are 'more prestigious' than Paris - Tours or the Omloop as well. The WT is a joke, and, to be honest, I don't care about it anymore. If the route is good, then fine for me. If we got a TDU or TOBeijing 2.0, then too bad.
I was critizing the whole system, not individual races. Yes the TDU shouldn't have gotten WT, but it has and I think it fits to be honest.
I don't really pay too much attention to race rankings anyway, I watch the races that interest me.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 11-02-2012 22:34
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Shefer said Vino's training to reach peak form in April and May.
May? Giro again? Awesome.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 11-02-2012 22:48
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I read somewhere that Kreuziger was set to ride the Giro this year as the leader again. Maybe a change of plans? |
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| tyriion |
Posted on 11-02-2012 22:55
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Aquarius wrote:
EPO ? I used to hear or read that we only have a limited amount of red cells ready to go, for all our lives. Enough for a random person to live 160 or 170 years. That would be the physical limit of a natural longevity anyway. With EPO you produce more red cells than you'd normally would, picking among those reserved amounts.
Comes a point when you could lack available red cells if you've used EPO from a very young age till a very late age. Obviously Longo didn't start EPO before turning 30 or 35.
What happens when you have no more red cells ? Either you'll need constant transfusion, either the theory is wrong, either you'll start getting bone cancer, spleen cancer, etc.
Red cells come from some type of stem cells in the bone marrow, which can divide in unlimited quantities. EPO is simply a messenger that stimulates this process and makes more red blood cells develop and mature. About her looking young and fit, that;s probably just the effect of long training and healthy living (not considering doping)
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-02-2012 02:43
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tyriion wrote:
Red cells come from some type of stem cells in the bone marrow, which can divide in unlimited quantities. EPO is simply a messenger that stimulates this process and makes more red blood cells develop and mature. About her looking young and fit, that;s probably just the effect of long training and healthy living (not considering doping)
I held it as certainty that bone marrow could only produce a defined number of red cells, much higher than one would naturally need though.
EPO would increase the production of that limited number, to critical proportions.
Then again that might be wrong, and the spleen could then start producing red cells again (that happens under certain circumstances, it's a weird organ). |
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| Roman |
Posted on 12-02-2012 02:56
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issoisso wrote:
Shefer said Vino's training to reach peak form in April and May.
May? Giro again? Awesome.
Tour of California, any chance? 
Kreuziger should be leader of Astana in Giro. But well, maybe Vino wants to win a stage there. He has no wins in Giro in his career so far.
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 13-02-2012 17:51
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www.cyclingnews.com/news/german-feder...-sportives
According to this, Ullrich is not allowed to race in a BDR organised race again until his ban is over. He is not even allowed to be in the peloton so what Nier said about Ullrich riding amateur races in Germany has been declared bogus...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-02-2012 18:01
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miggi133 wrote:
www.cyclingnews.com/news/german-feder...-sportives
According to this, Ullrich is not allowed to race in a BDR organised race again until his ban is over. He is not even allowed to be in the peloton so what Nier said about Ullrich riding amateur races in Germany has been declared bogus...
I thought Ulle rode in cyclo-sportive races, for cyclo-tourists. Those are differents, at least in France, from amateur races. They're controlled by the FFCT instead of FFC (CT : cyclo-tourist, C : cycling), I suppose there's the same in Germany as well ? |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 13-02-2012 18:04
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Aquarius wrote:
miggi133 wrote:
www.cyclingnews.com/news/german-feder...-sportives
According to this, Ullrich is not allowed to race in a BDR organised race again until his ban is over. He is not even allowed to be in the peloton so what Nier said about Ullrich riding amateur races in Germany has been declared bogus...
I thought Ulle rode in cyclo-sportive races, for cyclo-tourists. Those are differents, at least in France, from amateur races. They're controlled by the FFCT instead of FFC (CT : cyclo-tourist, C : cycling), I suppose there's the same in Germany as well ?
No, as far as I know the BDR organizes those races in germany. I could be wrong, has been a while since i was in germany (though I grew up there). So if i m wrong i stay happily corrected.
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