baseballlover312 wrote:
Yes, fighter should be changed or given a second option.

As a starting point for discussion, I'm going to post the updated fighter template that was tossed around a year or two ago.



The question is, is this unbalanced, and what would need to be done to make it balanced so that it can be in the game ASAP?

cio93 wrote:
Is there a particular reason why Fabien Doubey would end up with an OVL of 75,03 with 75mo/75hi, but only a measly 73,42 if he were to theoretically max at 77mo/74hi (which we can all agree is superior)?
The simple step from 75/74 to 75/75 adds up to 1,90 OVL with the remaining stats fixed.

Playing around with some other riders as well, it seems like the formula has a rather excessive variance when a rider with decent acceleration (maybe even sprint) gets to 75 in both MO and HIL?



I assume this has to do with us rightfully wanting to penalize hybrids, but it is an extreme jump (not sure if there's a good way to do it on a gradient) and I'd like to bring it to the attention of everyone who has already done their stat gains and might end up with such a rider, but definitely doesn't want to pay 100k for them.

baseballlover312 wrote:
So: about the fighter training.

It obviously does allow you to contribute to way more stats than most plans, as that's kind of the point. A broad training regiment to build a versatile domestique. As WJ says, it's hard for this to be abused regardless, because it doesn't maximize any type of leader's main stats. The "main stats" are things like flat and fighter, which can very rarely win anyone races. A few flat classics perhaps, but only with a top level fighter and a lot of luck.

So no top talents will be using this training. The only difference is that lesser domestiques might, helping us making the database more well rounded and curbing inflation from those 4th tier domestiques who currently have 75-77 main stats. If we think it might inflate flat and fighter too much, we can always lessen those skills for some talents at their addition.

roturn wrote:

I will need to check this closer. As it is now, a flat/ACC combination brings you a great sprinter, where those stats become almost more important than the sprint stat itself. I would need to check the next talents, in especially sprinters with higher potential if giving them such flat/ACC boost in some steps might not overpower those. Even though they end up 1-2-3 sprint stats lower this way.

E.g. Reinhardt with high acc was better than high sprint riders. Holloway with high flat similar.

roturn wrote:
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I will have a look into it tomorrow where stuff gap still exists in the formulas.

@bbl. And also it must be checked to not overpower them too much in terms of breakaway wins then. e.g. Dzamastagic or the flat beats with late attacks.

redordead wrote:
Something about the new fighter stat gain in conjuction with the OVL issues.

Roturn has tried to create a formula to properly rate allround riders. Unfortunetely it hasn't worked out. Giving people a stat gain that raises all stats and allows to much more easily fiddle with the stat combos to create those effective and underrated riders might not be a good thing.

The fighter stat gain is not great, but we have to think at the consequences of making it better. A while back I think I suggested splitting it into v1 and v2 like with climber.

But to be perfectly honest I'd rather make the Stage Race gain worse because it's pretty OP and a bigger issue than fighter imo.

redordead wrote:
Something about the new fighter stat gain in conjuction with the OVL issues.

Roturn has tried to create a formula to properly rate allround riders. Unfortunetely it hasn't worked out. Giving people a stat gain that raises all stats and allows to much more easily fiddle with the stat combos to create those effective and underrated riders might not be a good thing.

The fighter stat gain is not great, but we have to think at the consequences of making it better. A while back I think I suggested splitting it into v1 and v2 like with climber.

But to be perfectly honest I'd rather make the Stage Race gain worse because it's pretty OP and a bigger issue than fighter imo.

quadsas wrote:

Gembeckas	Tomas	78	64	70	68	71	69	68	63	69	74	75	69	68
Gembeckas	Tomas	78	61	68	65	71	69	67	61	69	73	69	69	65

Top is new fighter (which I'd still like to get a bit more sta and res), and bottom is old.

Bottom rider is pretty much unusable, complete garbage. Not that top one is good by any means, but you can at least see a guy like that being signed by someone.