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Who to expect in the Vuelta?
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 16-08-2013 19:18
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Hansen is beast.  And not surprised to see Manuel Cardoso's name away from Caja Rural's line-up, he's been a shadow of what he was, and even though he won a stage here in Portugal, he couldn't beat world class sprinter Maxime Daniel twice... 
Daniel is probably the 2nd best sprinter present in Portugal (behind Ciolek). He got 2nd place in Besseges (?) where he beated the likes of Greipel and others iirc. |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 16-08-2013 19:24
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Miguel98 wrote:
FreitasPCM wrote:
Hansen is beast. And not surprised to see Manuel Cardoso's name away from Caja Rural's line-up, he's been a shadow of what he was, and even though he won a stage here in Portugal, he couldn't beat world class sprinter Maxime Daniel twice...
Daniel is probably the 2nd best sprinter present in Portugal (behind Ciolek). He got 2nd place in Besseges (?) where he beated the likes of Greipel and others iirc.
No, he's best result was 3rd in a Tour de Mediterraneen stage, where he lost to Greipel and Pelucchi, but finished ahead of Nizzolo, Roelandts, Hushovd... hasn't got big results yet. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-08-2013 19:26
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It's fine to mock him as "World Class sprinter". It's his first year pro though, so you can't really blame him for his lack of pro results the previous year, can you ?
Can you already tell if he will become another Adrien Petit or rather another Arnaud Démare ? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-08-2013 19:57
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Aquarius wrote:
It's fine to mock him as "World Class sprinter". It's his first year pro though, so you can't really blame him for his lack of pro results the previous year, can you ?
Can you already tell if he will become another Adrien Petit or rather another Arnaud Démare ?
It's irrelevant what he can or can't become, he's not very good now and Cardoso was beaten by him, Q.E.D.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 16-08-2013 20:00
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Yeah, right now I rate Cardoso as a better sprinter, also, I didn't even know Daniel was a sprinter before the Volta started. But right now, I'd say the French has got potential to be a top-5 contender for sprints in French races for the next 2 years, I don't know much about him to say something specific... Maybe I went too far with the "world-class sprinter", yeah.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-08-2013 08:32
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Alakagom wrote:
To me Jelle, reminds me more of De Gendt, brilliant at times, but very sucky most of the time. Engima of a rider.
While Gesink had tons of potential, stunning talent, however due to sevral bad luck in his career, he seems will never fulfil it.
You might be right there. Though in that case I must add I think De Gendts is much more talented and even weirder as a rider  His potential goes through the roof. If he would do high-altitude training, warm-up before a TT... But then he wouldn't be Thomas De Gendt |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:11
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issoisso wrote:
It's irrelevant what he can or can't become, he's not very good now and Cardoso was beaten by him, Q.E.D.
He might not be good right now overall (in terms of coping with hills, mountains, length, pace, etc.), but how can you judge his current top end speed ? I can't.
He's not had a recent sprint against other valuable sprinters that would allow us to assess his relative speed. The only one I find track of was at Tour Med, early February (which was forever ago for a first year pro).
That's why I was pointing out that it was unfair to mock his sprinting skills. |
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| Jezemekoule |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:23
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Today I read in our newspaper that Kreuziger should be leader in first days of Vuelta, but I don't hnow if it's news for you  |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:41
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Issoisso. Your signature about Froome. Its so true. And its the same with Quintana.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:44
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Issoisso. Your signature about Froome. Its so true. And its the same with Quintana.
That's not even near true for Quintana. Look up his results before making such a statement.
(Not saying that he isn't suspicious)
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:46
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Im not being at all racist in terms of cycling. But sometimes some countries seem very suspicious. But zotti. I feel that froome is quite suspicious.
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| PhilipBusch |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:49
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Issoisso. Your signature about Froome. Its so true. And its the same with Quintana.
No way it's the same for Quintana. He won Tour d'Avenir some years ago and he has been labelled as one of the biggest climbing talents for some years now. Before this year he also won a stage in dauphine, stage and overall in route du sud (insane time gaps) and stage and overall in a spanish stage race. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:53
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I'm quite sure if you search this forum for posts were people called Quintana a potential tour winner before August 2011, you'll find multiple people claiming that.
Don't think you'll find anyone claiming Froome would ever win the Tour before August 2011
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 17-08-2013 09:59
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I apologize for not doing my Quintana research.
And it does seem suspicious that the brits hadnt won the Tour for years and then one year they go 1-2 and the next year they win again.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-08-2013 12:11
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
I apologize for not doing my Quintana research.
And it does seem suspicious that the brits hadnt won the Tour for years and then one year they go 1-2 and the next year they win again.
Not "for years" : ever. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 17-08-2013 12:29
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I found Quintana to be very impressive last year the Vuelta. I guess most people knew back then that this guy will go places. It's just maybe surprising it happened so fast.
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| fickman |
Posted on 17-08-2013 14:22
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Issoisso. Your signature about Froome. Its so true. And its the same with Quintana.
Seriously do u ever use ur brain before stating something???  What about doing some research before u make accusations. Quintana might be a dopper too but at least u can see a progression in his career. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 17-08-2013 17:58
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Yes, Froome went from hills domestique to the best climber of the peleton in three weeks.
A bit like Santambrogio, but faster and more impressive. Except he got caught and Froome not.
EDIT: Or like Armstrong after his cancer.
Edited by fosforgasXIII on 17-08-2013 18:01
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-08-2013 18:07
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Pre 2012 Santambrogio was much better than pre Vuelta 2011 Froome and Santambrogio never became as dominant as Froome is.
If Santambrogio improved 2 levels, Froome improved 8 levels
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 17-08-2013 18:07
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Spilak23 wrote:
Pre 2012 Santambrogio was much better than pre Vuelta 2011 Froome and Santambrogio never became as dominant as Froome is.
If Santambrogio improved 2 levels, Froome improved 8 levels
That what I said; like Santa but more impressive |
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