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TdF'13 Stage 11: Avranches to Mont-Saint-Michel (July 10)
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| Cossack |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:22
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Maybe he just didn't care about this TT and preferred to save energy for next stages. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:23
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Almost forgot most impressive today was Kwiatkowski and Ten Dam, both brilliant TT's! |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:25
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CountArach wrote:
Note also this earlier in that year:
https://www.cqrank...aceid=4401
And he won Thuringen Rundfahrt. You can't judge a season based on one race.
And he may have been saving something for the road race where he was working for Ciolek, who he helped to the win. He played a big role in that race so may have been under orders to save himself.
Finally I don't think U23 results prove anything. TTs are the sort of thing where, as your position gets better and better and you start to get more stamina, you will progress more naturally.
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| Roman |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:27
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
 If perfect bike position and riding on 58x11 is doping for you then you got a serious cycological problem Sir.
Following your logic Kittel Cav and Greipel are doped too coz theyre the best in their speciality.
Tony Martin beated the dominance of Fabian Cancellara in TTs, who has a perfect bike position as well and who completely crushed 2 times his oposition in Ardennes classics in an unbelievable style and people are saying he is an obvious doper. And he is dominating TTs now in a completely similar style like Cancellara. Says quite a lot.
Tony Martin competed for Telekom 2.0, which competed under the lead of obvious dopers like Rolf Aldag or Brian Holm, who were team mates of another doper Bjarne Riis. We all know how it was with doping in Team CSC... Why should be the situation there any else in that team where another former Telekom rider were bosses. Oh and indeed it was a team which was a successor of Telekom/T-Mobile.
Tony scored a 7/10 on that UCI doping suspicion list according to L'Equipe. I believe he rode the fastest time ever on a WC TT as well... on a really technical course...
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:38
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Roman wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
If perfect bike position and riding on 58x11 is doping for you then you got a serious cycological problem Sir.
Following your logic Kittel Cav and Greipel are doped too coz theyre the best in their speciality.
Tony Martin beated the dominance of Fabian Cancellara in TTs, who has a perfect bike position as well and who completely crushed 2 times his oposition in Ardennes classics in an unbelievable style and people are saying he is an obvious doper. And he is dominating TTs now in a completely similar style like Cancellara. Says quite a lot.
Tony Martin competed for Telekom 2.0, which competed under the lead of obvious dopers like Rolf Aldag or Brian Holm, who were team mates of another doper Bjarne Riis. We all know how it was with doping in Team CSC... Why should be the situation there any else in that team where another former Telekom rider were bosses. Oh and indeed it was a team which was a successor of Telekom/T-Mobile.
Tony scored a 7/10 on that UCI doping suspicion list according to L'Equipe. I believe he rode the fastest time ever on a WC TT as well... on a really technical course...
Your logic: Everyone succesful is a doper.
Since when coz your director was a doper youre automatically a doper as well? Your arguments are totally stupid and ridiculous.
Did you see how exhausted Martin was after his TT? Gave his absolute everything. Froomebot however was totally chilledout. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:38
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Where are Ian Stannard's marginal gains? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:44
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CountArach wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Note also this earlier in that year:
https://www.cqrank...aceid=4401
And he won Thuringen Rundfahrt. You can't judge a season based on one race.
And he may have been saving something for the road race where he was working for Ciolek, who he helped to the win. He played a big role in that race so may have been under orders to save himself.
Finally I don't think U23 results prove anything. TTs are the sort of thing where, as your position gets better and better and you start to get more stamina, you will progress more naturally.
The previous year, trainee vs professionals
https://www.cqrank...aceid=2713
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:46
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CountArach wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Note also this earlier in that year:
https://www.cqrank...aceid=4401
And he won Thuringen Rundfahrt. You can't judge a season based on one race.
And he may have been saving something for the road race where he was working for Ciolek, who he helped to the win. He played a big role in that race so may have been under orders to save himself.
Finally I don't think U23 results prove anything. TTs are the sort of thing where, as your position gets better and better and you start to get more stamina, you will progress more naturally.
The previous year, trainee vs professionals
https://www.cqrank...aceid=2713
That said, Martin is still suspicious. He was very high on the blood passport suspicion index. Simply he didn't come out of nowhere like Froome
Roman wrote:
Tony Martin beated the dominance of Fabian Cancellara in TTs, who has a perfect bike position as well and who completely crushed 2 times his oposition in Ardennes classics in an unbelievable style and people are saying he is an obvious doper. And he is dominating TTs now in a completely similar style like Cancellara. Says quite a lot.
Yes, it says that Martin was 27, the peak age for a cyclists results, and Cancellara is 32
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:52
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issoisso wrote:
Simply he didn't come out of nowhere like Froome
https://www.procyc...?id=102921
Well, Froome was 5/6 years ago already going good in timetrails. Ok, Barloworld, bit suspicious maybe, but still. It was not a too hilly race. So it was similar to this one.
(And in that year he was 31 on Alpe D'Huez according to PCS) |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:54
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Mwuhi wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Simply he didn't come out of nowhere like Froome
https://www.procyc...?id=102921
Well, Froome was 5/6 years ago already going good in timetrails. Ok, Barloworld, bit suspicious maybe, but still. It was not a too hilly race. So it was similar to this one.
(And in that year he was 31 on Alpe D'Huez according to PCS)
Froomacher's Barloworld room-mate got caught back then. |
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:56
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Mwuhi wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Simply he didn't come out of nowhere like Froome
https://www.procyc...?id=102921
Well, Froome was 5/6 years ago already going good in timetrails. Ok, Barloworld, bit suspicious maybe, but still. It was not a too hilly race. So it was similar to this one.
(And in that year he was 31 on Alpe D'Huez according to PCS)
Froomacher's Barloworld room-mate got caught back then.
True, but that doesn't say a thing about Froome. Of course it is all suspicious, but why always scream out loud that it doped if nothing is yet proven. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:04
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Martin rode for Gerolsteiner as a trainee, at a time when team wide doping was allegedly taking place. Not as suspicious as Froome though. |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:05
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I'm glad that there are 3 flat stages now (Saturday a bit hilly), so there will be less talking about Froomination (domination) and that he must be / is doped....
I'm not sticking my head in the sand, but I'm getting tired about this doping-talk. Yes, it's a suspicious performance, but to me (please read: this is my opinion!!) Froome and Sky stay dopefree, untill of them has a positive test, or that a former Sky-rider (as Rogers) has a positive test. And I hope he has a very weak moment at the Ventoux or Alpe d'Huez, and he looses more than 3 minutes to the others....
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:07
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I know this isn't the right forum for it, but since everyone is ignoring my posts on the grafics forum I'll try it here. I want to change the grey COM-jersey with the red BMC-jersey for PCM13. Can anyone tell where I download a 2013 BMC minimaillot and where I need to save it so I can use it in my db. I just downloaded a db and spent hours on updating the stats so I don't want to download a whole new db just for one jersey.
A Belkin jersey would be nice too, but I can live with Blanco so that's not a priority. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:38
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
I know this isn't the right forum for it, but since everyone is ignoring my posts on the grafics forum I'll try it here. I want to change the grey COM-jersey with the red BMC-jersey for PCM13. Can anyone tell where I download a 2013 BMC minimaillot and where I need to save it so I can use it in my db. I just downloaded a db and spent hours on updating the stats so I don't want to download a whole new db just for one jersey.
A Belkin jersey would be nice too, but I can live with Blanco so that's not a priority.
Just download the PCM Daily db
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| jaxika |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:40
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Mwuhi wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Mwuhi wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Simply he didn't come out of nowhere like Froome
https://www.procyc...?id=102921
Well, Froome was 5/6 years ago already going good in timetrails. Ok, Barloworld, bit suspicious maybe, but still. It was not a too hilly race. So it was similar to this one.
(And in that year he was 31 on Alpe D'Huez according to PCS)
Froomacher's Barloworld room-mate got caught back then.
True, but that doesn't say a thing about Froome. Of course it is all suspicious, but why always scream out loud that it doped if nothing is yet proven.
More then suspicious  |
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:42
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The same Barloworld Froome was seen struggling on the Santuario in Bologna, Giro stage, same finish as Giro dell Emilia. Swerving from side to side after an attack. 5 years later and he is crushing Contador and all on every climb lol |
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| ruben |
Posted on 10-07-2013 18:44
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doddy13 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Rzrassman wrote:
Can someone plz update Froome-bot Stats for PCM 13?
MO 85
HL 85
TT 83
RS 80
Not going to lie, in PCM06 I changed all of my teams riders on the DB to 85 in everything. Well, it's fun to win right?
Mads Kaggestad
Obviously 
Wasn't that the PCM 08 time when we used to play multiplayer PCM and I also did a Kaggestad in one of our sessions ? |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 23:28
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So glad Valverde and Contador lost time today  |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 23:34
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sutty68 wrote:
So glad Valverde and Contador lost time today
Totally unexpected right?  |
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