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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-08-2012 21:36
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
abel2323 wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Also, has anyone got a link to footage of the crash?
I don't know if non spaniards can see it...
https://www.rtve.e...a/1511048/
Cheers. Didn't look much like Sky caused that but it wasn't a clear view.
so it makes all good to keep on pushing with 5 riders and 100% when they did not caused a crash..? |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-08-2012 21:42
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Guido Mukk wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
abel2323 wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Also, has anyone got a link to footage of the crash?
I don't know if non spaniards can see it...
https://www.rtve.e...a/1511048/
Cheers. Didn't look much like Sky caused that but it wasn't a clear view.
so it makes all good to keep on pushing with 5 riders and 100% when they did not caused a crash..?
Wow. That's an impressive way to react to something that I didn't even say. Unzue was accusing Sky of causing the crash. Having watched that, it appears to me that it wasn't really their fault. At no point did I say whether or not I thought they should have kept up their pace. |
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Posted on 21-08-2012 21:43
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I know it was already commented, but I can´t resist...poor guy 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-08-2012 21:54
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Oh, I didn't see that part. Camera here cut away, all I saw was him blowing some sort of kiss and making a cross. That is funny. 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:13
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
abel2323 wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Also, has anyone got a link to footage of the crash?
I don't know if non spaniards can see it...
https://www.rtve.e...a/1511048/
Cheers. Didn't look much like Sky caused that but it wasn't a clear view.
so it makes all good to keep on pushing with 5 riders and 100% when they did not caused a crash..?
Wow. That's an impressive way to react to something that I didn't even say. Unzue was accusing Sky of causing the crash. Having watched that, it appears to me that it wasn't really their fault. At no point did I say whether or not I thought they should have kept up their pace.
to jump to the defense of sky ( )
from that video they were already pushing the pace hard. its not like they attacked with pace after the crash coughcontadorcough
while valverde was in the crash i could not tell he was down until he was shown riding away alone, the ds's get the same feed and would only have know up to a minute later
at this point the whole race was blown open, and if sky had eased off someone like Katusha would most likly have come through
feel free to now attack me
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:20
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TheManxMissile wrote:
to jump to the defense of sky ( )
from that video they were already pushing the pace hard. its not like they attacked with pace after the crash coughcontadorcough
Completely different situations. Nobody attacked Sky when Sky crashed.
Contador had lost 2 whole minutes on that very same tour because Andy attacked when all the contenders except Evans were caught behind a crash (that another Schleck caused, no less).
Would you wait for Andy when the only reason he's in yellow is because he attacked you when you were held up by a crash?
When all your other contenders are up the road attacking and every second you wait is time lost to them?
Here, Flecha hears the crash, looks back, sees a bunch of people down, and his reaction is to stand on the pedals and give it full gas when his team has not been wronged and has nothing to lose to the break ahead.
Completely different situations
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:20
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what stage was that?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:21
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TheManxMissile wrote:
what stage was that?
Cobbles. First week. Frank crashes and holds up almost the entire peloton. Andy looks back, sees it, and signals Cancellera to give it hell on the front. Andy wins gobs of time.
EDIT: Stage 3, won by Hushovd
Edited by issoisso on 21-08-2012 22:22
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:22
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issoisso wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
what stage was that?
Cobbles. First week. Frank crashes and holds up almost the entire peloton. Andy looks back, sees it, and signals Cancellera to give it hell on the front. Andy wins gobs of time.
well sky didnt cause todays crash... or am i missing the point?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:24
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You are. The points are:
- Contador had been wronged (doubly so, since the previous day Andy was 8 minutes down when Cancellara organized a slowdown. The next day it's Cancellara pouring it on the front after the crash). Sky hadn't
- Contador had his rivals up the road and could afford no time lost. Sky did it on a flat part with no one of importance up the road
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:27
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issoisso wrote:
You are. The points are:
- Contador had been wronged (doubly so, since the previous day Andy was 8 minutes down when Cancellara organized a slowdown. The next day it's Cancellara pouring it on the front after the crash). Sky hadn't
- Contador had his rivals up the road and could afford no time lost. Sky did it on a flat part with no one of importance up the road
sorry dont get point one
sky did what? who was up the road that could endanger contador's gc position, sanchez and menchov and vdb were all in the same group as far as i can rememeber/see from watching it on dvd
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:31
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1. I don't know how much clearer I can explain it. Contador gave Schleck and Cancellara a huge freebie on the basis of fair play, and the very next day Schleck and Cancellara screwed him over massively the first chance they got. After that, was Contador supposed to give another freebie? Sky had no such excuse.
2. It's not at the point of Contador's attack. It's when Contador looks back and sees Andy stopped with a mechanical that he slows down and leaves the pacing to the others while he asks Vino what happened. At that point that he finds out the situation, to wait for Andy he'd have to let the others go.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:34
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issoisso wrote:
1. I don't know how much clearer I can explain it. Contador gave Schleck and Cancellara a huge freebie on the basis of fair play, and the very next day Schleck and Cancellara screwed him over massively the first chance they got. After that, was Contador supposed to give another freebie? Sky had no such excuse.
2. It's not at the point of Contador's attack. It's when Contador looks back and sees Andy stopped with a mechanical that he slows down and leaves the pacing to the others while he asks Vino what happened. At that point that he finds out the situation, to wait for Andy he'd have to let the others go.
1. ok i think i get it... no and still nothing to with sky today
2. he looks back and keeps attacking, others countered his move, if he stopped they would have stopped
My original point was nothing to with a contador comparision
rather that sky were already on the front at speed, and continued, while maybe not the most sporting thing in the world, it didnt break any rules, and as i said even on slo-mo replays i couldnt see vavlerde go down until after he was riding on alone. ds's get same feed so would not have know
at which point race was on and if sky stopped katusha etc would have forced the pace
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:37
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Sigh. You still don't get it.
If you don't get it, you don't get it. I've explained it three different ways, I really can't make it any clearer
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| Bookie |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:38
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Alakagom wrote:
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I remember Sky riders urging to wait when Evans punctured in this year Tour de France. Two sets of standards?
Ugly.
Yeah, there is really not one difference when a stage is raced normally ( not going say how the crash happend and if Sky caused it as I didn't see it ) and when it was sabotaged by some idiots..
Yes, Adam Hansen will lie about the cause of the crash.
Twenty riders do not fall for no reason. The fact that Sky goes full throttle afterwards and then claim they knew nothing is just BS. Also, at the time of Evans crash, the riders in front didn't know there was sabotage - so your point is moot. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:40
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Bookie wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Bookie wrote:
I remember Sky riders urging to wait when Evans punctured in this year Tour de France. Two sets of standards?
Ugly.
Yeah, there is really not one difference when a stage is raced normally ( not going say how the crash happend and if Sky caused it as I didn't see it ) and when it was sabotaged by some idiots..
Yes, Adam Hansen will lie about the cause of the crash.
Twenty riders do not fall for no reason. The fact that Sky goes full throttle afterwards and then claim they knew nothing is just BS. Also, at the time of Evans crash, the riders in front didn't know there was sabotage - so your point is moot.
are you saying that sky caused the crash just to gain time and take out important riders?
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:41
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issoisso wrote:
Sigh. You still don't get it.
If you don't get it, you don't get it. I've explained it three different ways, I really can't make it any clearer
is it to do with my joke about contador
or with todays stage?
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| Bookie |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:43
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TheManxMissile wrote:
are you saying that sky caused the crash just to gain time and take out important riders?
Do you see that in my message?
No, Sky's move was clumsy, but it caused the fall according to several riders. Why would Hansen 'lie' about this? Sky force the peleton on the edge to form echelons in the sidewind, but they do so that suddenly that there's no room and riders fall.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:45
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Twenty riders do not fall for no reason. The fact that Sky goes full throttle afterwards and then claim they knew nothing is just BS.
thats were, just sounded like that to me
again, i watched the video, doesnt seem sudden to me, and if so cause sky move over surely its the riders behind, non=sky how run into those already on the edge and cause the crash
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-08-2012 22:46
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I don't know either way and I don't really give a shit but there is the simple possibility that Hansen just got it wrong. |
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