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fenian_1234
If you look at the two teams at the Top of the CT last year, they didn't have 1 or 2 good riders and 18 useless riders. Wink
 
beagle
I see, but conditions were a bit different last season, didn´t they? Anyway, I´m looking forward to transfer period Smile
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alexkr00
The budget was a little bit bigger so more money for training and stuff but the salary cap was the same last year.
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rjc_43
Fenian_1234 Wrote:

You have 3 million to spend. Budget and salary cap are separate.

eg.
1:
If you buy a free agent for 1m, then his salary will be 1m. So, you then have 1.5m left from your salary cap, and 2m from your pile of cash.

2:
You buy Di Luca from La Gazzetta. You pay mrlol 750k. Di Luca's salary is 350k. That means you have 2.25m left from your cash, and 2.15m left in salary space.

Buy a free agent - price you pay will be his salary.
Buy a rider from another team - salary will be whatever it currently is.

Any money left over, you can spend it on training.


I do believe you need clarification on the second part.

You pay mrlol 750K, so your overall money goes down to 2,250,000. Your cap, as you've said, goes down to 2,150,000, but it goes down further as technically you're spending money on wages. So the actual amount you'd have left is: 2,150,000 salary cap, and only 1,900,000 money (for transfers, wages, free agents, etc).

You should think of things this way:

You have 3 million to spend on riders, wages, transfers, training.

The only thing that is stopping you from buying everyone is the salary cap. Which is at 2,500,000.

It really is a simple concept, once you get it, easy as pie.
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Christer
Just to get this clear: There is one salary for transfers, training etc and one for salaries?
 
Heine
Not really Christer.

You got 1 budget (all your money) to use as you want.

BUT

You can max use 2,5 mill for wages (if continental) or 3,5 (if Pro).
 
rjc_43
*swears alot*

No.

It's all one big happy family amount.

Total: 3,500,000 money.

In that, you can't spend more than 2,500,000 on wages. What you do with the rest, no one else gives a flying toot.

No one will look at you and laugh if you spend 3,000,000 buying one 50,000 waged rider, and then get another 19 50,000 waged riders, and are massively under your cap. There's no minimum you have to spend, it's just preventing teams from having too many good guys.

It's to prevent the la gazzetta team, for example, who gets one of the largest budgets, from buying lots and lots and lots of the good guys to add to their already amazing team.
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Kami
Take you ride in the CT Tour. You recieved a budget of lets say 3.500.000€. Your salary cap is 2.500.000€.
So
3.500.000 - 2.500.000 = 1.000.000

So you got 1.000.000€ left on transfers, training and other stuff. But with the example i took, your cap is at it max, so you would have to fire a rider.

Is this the way it is, or am i completely off?
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Heine
Just for your information, if you use 3 mill on a 50k waged rider I will laugh. I will laugh hard (A)

But thats just me
 
fenian_1234
rjc_43 wrote:
Fenian_1234 Wrote:

You have 3 million to spend. Budget and salary cap are separate.

eg.
1:
If you buy a free agent for 1m, then his salary will be 1m. So, you then have 1.5m left from your salary cap, and 2m from your pile of cash.

2:
You buy Di Luca from La Gazzetta. You pay mrlol 750k. Di Luca's salary is 350k. That means you have 2.25m left from your cash, and 2.15m left in salary space.

Buy a free agent - price you pay will be his salary.
Buy a rider from another team - salary will be whatever it currently is.

Any money left over, you can spend it on training.


I do believe you need clarification on the second part.

You pay mrlol 750K, so your overall money goes down to 2,250,000. Your cap, as you've said, goes down to 2,150,000, but it goes down further as technically you're spending money on wages. So the actual amount you'd have left is: 2,150,000 salary cap, and only 1,900,000 money (for transfers, wages, free agents, etc).

You should think of things this way:

You have 3 million to spend on riders, wages, transfers, training.

The only thing that is stopping you from buying everyone is the salary cap. Which is at 2,500,000.

It really is a simple concept, once you get it, easy as pie.


What I've posted is the way I remember it working last year.

Easy as pie, if what you're saying is true - but an incredibly stupid system. Why would anyone waste money buying a rider - especially a good one - from someone else?
 
rjc_43
This is the budget sheet you will get:

And this is from my team for last season:

Balance€2,872,300Salary Cap€300Your Initial Budget5117000



Team
First NameSurnameWageLoan?
1IvanRovny € 85,000 No
2LeonardoBertagnolli € 300,000 No
3StevenCummings € 80,000 No
4TomDiggle € 55,000 No
5ChiaffredoGrippo € 50,000 No
6RussellHampton € 50,000 No
7BenHermans € 219,700 No
8KevinIsta € 75,000 No
9RichardTanguy € 50,000 No
10AndrewFenn € - Outgoing
11LukeRowe € 115,000 No
12MattRowe € 50,000 No
13TeodoroCostagli€110,000No
14JosephCooper € 60,000 No
15DanieleRatto € 50,000 No
16PaoloLocatelli € 50,000 No
17NikolaiTrusov€50,000No
18PaoloScarponi € 110,000 No
19DamianoCaruso € 280,000 No
20SimonePonzi € 360,000 No
21RinaldoNocentini€300,000No


Riders In
First NameSurnameWageTransfer Fee
PaoloScarponi€110,000
RichardTanguy€50,000
AndrewFenn€150,000
DamianoCaruso€280,000
SimonePonzi€360,000
RinaldoNocentini€300,000
TeodoroCostagli€110,000
DanieleRatto€50,000
JosephCooper€60,000
PaoloLocatelli€50,000
ChiaffredoGrippo€50,000
NikolaiTrusov€50,000
IvanRovny€85,000€130,000


Riders Out
First NameSurnameWageTransfer Fee
ThomasRiber-Sellebjerg€50,000€87,500
TroelsVinter€75,000€52,500
Juan ManuelGárate€72,000€75,000
MikelAstarloza€225,000€75,000
OlivierKaisen€100,000€25,000
TomStamsnijder € 100,000 €60,000
RonnyScholz€90,000€10,000


Loans
First NameSurnameWageTeamFee
AndrewFenn€150,000100% Me€0


So, I had an initial budget of 5,117,000. I overspent on my riders. Ie my Cap went over 2,500,000. So I loaned out one of my riders. I was then 300 euros under cap (good), and with 20 riders (the minimum).

Hope that helps.
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mb2612
you are saying the same thing, just rjc is clarifying that you actually will have spent 1.1 million because you have to pay the salary as well
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Heine
Fenian, you gotta remember that when you paid 750k for Di Luca (in your example) you paid that upfront. So you got 2,250 left.

THEN the Salary came into play. And since it's all money from 1 budget you used 350k more (so now you're down to 1,900)
 
rjc_43
Fenian, what you remember is wrong. Unless you/we are just misunderstanding each other.
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p3druh
I really encourage the new guys to go and have a look at the CT rankings for the past 2 years and the rosters of the teams that got promoted. Not one of them had a guy like Menchov or Ballan or Valverde. Mostly because those type of riders have a very limited number of race days to compete and, thus, the points that they bring are not worth the salary they will receive.

On the other hand, most of the teams that get promoted do seem to have a few riders that are not on max in their experience and those riders do seem to prove to be a great weapon for those teams in the fight against relegation in the PT.
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rjc_43
Stop trying to make it easier to steal the good riders PT Pfft Hands off! Grin
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mb2612
If I get Valverde again I'll get promoted.

but I now have 2 solid stage racers for the same salary as nothing riders last year.

So if you don't mind waiting a year, bank on youth.
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Setzel
p3druh not really if u buy a guy like pozaato i can gurantee u that the team who has it will promote that year when u go for a star try to max his strenghts they tend to go after menchov and make the wrong schedule is about maxizing your points in proportion with your race days...
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p3druh
rjc_43 wrote:
Stop trying to make it easier to steal the good riders PT Pfft Hands off! Grin

I only have 55k for salaries so this transfer period is gonna fly right by me Pfft

@setzel: Yeah but remember that the CT calender is larger than it was before.
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dave92
Anyone who believes 2 big riders can get you a good placing in the CT is free to go the Wii Racing path. Schumacher and Brajkovic, brilliant on paper, the TEAM finished 21st out of i believe 25 teams that competed the whole year.
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