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Tour de Pologne 2013 (July 27 - August 3)
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| RJCPS |
Posted on 03-08-2013 14:04
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I think Riblon will do enough to win GC. He is good enough in TT, surely will not win TT. That will be up to Wiggins, Cancellara or Nibali. But will do equal to or better than Majka and Henao.
Other people in top 10 like Izagirre, Kišerlovski, Capecchi, Pozzovivo, Weening are not good when it comes to TT.
If there is someone like Wiggins within 1m then would have been dangerous, as he can get 1m easily in TT, but nobody in 2min range is proven TTlist. Basso is in decline now.
Plus Riblon is in awesome form, he will surely win today.
What? Nibali can't TT for a stage win. He is not bad at it but he is nowhere near a good TT'ist. I honestly hope you're not using the Giro 50km TT as evidence....
About Izaguirre being not good on the TT...well he is better than those around him and probably even riblon so he has a realistic chance. Besides him, even weening might fight for it due to the nature of this TT (at least at the start), although he is a little bit far if im not mistaken. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 03-08-2013 14:10
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Stage 7 - Wieliczka - Kraków (37 KM)
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The 70th edition of the Tour de Pologne concludes with a 37km Individual Time Trial beginning within the town Wieliczka and ended within the city of Kraków. The parcours shall be hilly for almost the entirety of the first half of the stage, with the terrain flattening out for the second half.
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The beginning third, or so, of the race will be the most technical with the climbs and bends the riders shall encounter. The stage then opens up and features few corners, allowing the power riders to really churn a large gear. Within the final two kilometres there will be four corners at 90-degrees or greater and a few lesser bends to contend with.
There are arguably two favourites for Stage 7 of the Tour de Pologne on paper. In preparation for the UCI Road World Championships hosted in Tuscany this year Fabian Cancellara (Radioshack-Leopard) and Bradley Wiggins (Team Sky) will be eager to test their form and fitness ahead of the Men's Road Individual Time Trial.
It will probably be a toss up as to who the ultimate favourite is, as both have come from lengthy rests after a difficult early season. It will probably come down to who has the better form and fitness on the day. Arguably, Cancellara has had a slight edge in the past, and so he may be the popular choice for today's victory.
Either way it should, on paper, be a thrilling battle between the two time trial heavy weights.
So the fight for the General Classification comes to a head today, who shall triumph? Whilst for the stage victory we have on paper a monumental showdown between Fabian Cancellara and Bradley Wiggins.
The roughness of the profile should help the climbers during the first third or half of the parcours. However, the strong-men will certainly come to the fore during the rest of the stage. So the time trial specialists among the General Classification and peloton should on paper perform best. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 03-08-2013 14:18
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Great job on all the previews Malkael! Really nice 
Rohregger won't start because of knee troubles
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| Wilier |
Posted on 03-08-2013 14:22
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Kruijswijk won't start because he's ill. |
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Posted on 03-08-2013 14:24
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Half the peloton probably won't start 
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 03-08-2013 14:25
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RJCPS wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
I think Riblon will do enough to win GC. He is good enough in TT, surely will not win TT. That will be up to Wiggins, Cancellara or Nibali. But will do equal to or better than Majka and Henao.
Other people in top 10 like Izagirre, Kišerlovski, Capecchi, Pozzovivo, Weening are not good when it comes to TT.
If there is someone like Wiggins within 1m then would have been dangerous, as he can get 1m easily in TT, but nobody in 2min range is proven TTlist. Basso is in decline now.
Plus Riblon is in awesome form, he will surely win today.
What? Nibali can't TT for a stage win. He is not bad at it but he is nowhere near a good TT'ist. I honestly hope you're not using the Giro 50km TT as evidence....
About Izaguirre being not good on the TT...well he is better than those around him and probably even riblon so he has a realistic chance. Besides him, even weening might fight for it due to the nature of this TT (at least at the start), although he is a little bit far if im not mistaken.
That was all just my opinion about today.
And, well, Why not use Giro TT as a reference? There was hilly portion in beginning and flat 2nd half, just like it will be today. Plus Nibali has consistently done good in TT, he has not won it outright but finished within touching distance in many TTs. I never said he will beat Wiggins or Cancellara or he may you never know.
Though I feel Cancellara has lost his TT skills. He has been poor in TT this year. No top 3 finish in any TT this year.
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| Malkael |
Posted on 03-08-2013 14:43
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Never did get the time to do that Race Favourites preview sadly, but oh well can't help real life intervening at times. Should hopefully have a decent formula down now for when La Vuelta swings by for an awesome race, I hope.
I believe we had week long (7 stage) threads for it last year, so needed to think through and trial some adjustments suited to the situation. Looks like the current layout I used for the Tour de Pologne should suffice with a hub to link everything together.
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Wouldn't surprise me if many riders withdraw, though if they have to go for a ride anyway like with the rest days than why bother withdrawing. I'm sure they have reasons, but from my point of view "come on".
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On Atapuma, I can't blame him for not relaying with Riblon. Guy got in the Stage 5 breakaway to be rejected, then spent plenty of time in the Stage 6 breakaway, and then has to believe Riblon's word that he will get the victory as a gift.
Pleases all the people that dislike riders gifting over riders wins for helping as well. Since Atapuma won the stage on his own merit rather than due to Riblon gifting it.
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The Giro d'Italia's first individual time trial was hillier for a longer percentage of the course, and featured that hard climb at the end of its parcours. So whilst the first half, or so, of the Tour de Pologne individual time trial is hilly I would personally say it is more similar to the Mont Saint Michel time trial, especially in the absence of the Giro's tough finish climb.
Nibali is probably in the same boat as Cancellara too, as Nibbles hasn't been showing the greatest of form since returning from his rest either. You are probably right that Wiggins is probably the likeliest to the stage victory, though Cancellara hasn't really tried much so far this race and so this is his, and RSLT's chance to get something out of it as far as stage victories go.
Edited by Malkael on 03-08-2013 14:44
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| Maxvir |
Posted on 03-08-2013 15:57
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i don't see any moto cams...only stationary cameras so far. 
atm Phinney is leading, 2nd Pinotti +6secs. 3rd Sergent over a minute.
Intermediate
1. Pinotti
2. Phinney
3. Cancellara
4. Mihaylov 
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Posted on 03-08-2013 15:58
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I thought Cancellara is planning to skip the men's ITT, to solely focus on the men's road race. He actually stopped focusing on timetrialing as a whole, I doubt he'll finish in the top 3. Imo Wiggins is top favourite for today and maybe Kangert or Phinney and there probably will be a few surprises in the top 10. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:24
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May have done. After all he was saying earlier in the season he wants to just focus more on the classics races and less so on time trialing these days.
Don't remember reading about him skipping the Men's IIT, but may have missed that news. Damn you 24 hour news cycle, though my memory sucks too at times.
Sky have to dominate something after all! |
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| RJCPS |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:25
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Nin1388 wrote:
RJCPS wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
I think Riblon will do enough to win GC. He is good enough in TT, surely will not win TT. That will be up to Wiggins, Cancellara or Nibali. But will do equal to or better than Majka and Henao.
Other people in top 10 like Izagirre, Kišerlovski, Capecchi, Pozzovivo, Weening are not good when it comes to TT.
If there is someone like Wiggins within 1m then would have been dangerous, as he can get 1m easily in TT, but nobody in 2min range is proven TTlist. Basso is in decline now.
Plus Riblon is in awesome form, he will surely win today.
What? Nibali can't TT for a stage win. He is not bad at it but he is nowhere near a good TT'ist. I honestly hope you're not using the Giro 50km TT as evidence....
About Izaguirre being not good on the TT...well he is better than those around him and probably even riblon so he has a realistic chance. Besides him, even weening might fight for it due to the nature of this TT (at least at the start), although he is a little bit far if im not mistaken.
That was all just my opinion about today.
And, well, Why not use Giro TT as a reference? There was hilly portion in beginning and flat 2nd half, just like it will be today. Plus Nibali has consistently done good in TT, he has not won it outright but finished within touching distance in many TTs. I never said he will beat Wiggins or Cancellara or he may you never know.
Though I feel Cancellara has lost his TT skills. He has been poor in TT this year. No top 3 finish in any TT this year.
Make up your mind besides, unless im reading your post miserably wrong, you included him in the 3man list to win so...
I argue that you better not use the giro TT as evidence because he won a lot of time in the DH portion....then lost a lot more on the flat section and then gain again on the uphill part.
That means that nibali held his own in the terrain that he is good at, DH and UH but lost too much time on the flat. That, at least to me, shows he is not good in the TT and could never match the TT guys if not in a course specially designed to suit him. Today you dont have neither a lot of DH nor a hard uphill finish.
Still I agree about cancellara and TTs this year. I just cant stand people using that Giro TT to say nibali is good on the TT. Just look at the short TT in TA and how much time he lost to froome in such a short ride.
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| Maxvir |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:26
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Finish
Wiggins
Cancellara +56
Phinney + 1'14
Pinotti + 1'20
Sergent + 2'19
Mihaylov + 2'25
hope those time gaps are calculated well
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:28
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Fabian Cancellara is currently quickest from Phinney, but Wiggins is going even quicker, about 15s faster than Cancellara at 2nd split. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:29
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Yea, as I thought the Worlds title will be between Martin and Wiggins. Malori, Phinney, Vangarderen etc. will be fighting for 3rd.
I think it was obvious since Tirreno Cance didn't bother with TT too much, and will likely be much more than a average, but behind others coming up.
That win will be a good morale boost to Wiggins though, could possibly do well enough in Eneco, win Tour of Britain plus a medal at Worlds and at least he saved one minute part of his season.
P.S. Nibali came roughly 3 minutes and 30 seconds behind Wiggins, not that Nibali really cared much anyway, it's just a prep race for him.
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:31
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Brilliant Wiggins fastest and noone is beating that!! |
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| RJCPS |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:36
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Nin1388 wrote:
Brilliant Wiggins fastest and noone is beating that!!
True.
Where is nibali btw?  |
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| Maxvir |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:36
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RJCPS wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
Brilliant Wiggins fastest and noone is beating that!!
True.
Where is nibali btw?
I guess 8-10 at finish so far
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:38
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How Wiggins is that fast now..what he has been doing all tour?
If condition is that good? |
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| Pitero |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:43
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He was enjoying the landscapes along with Cancellara. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 03-08-2013 16:44
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What a year for Riblon |
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