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Critérium du Dauphiné 2013
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| Smowz |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:03
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issoisso wrote:
Anyway, changing the subject. Boy that Rogers sure is flying for Saxo Bank, eh? 
Must've forgotten how to train
I thought Rogers rode pretty well there finishing with Valverde and Moreno. Roughly equal to where he rode with the devil team.
Typical sky/Froome win - interesting to see that Contador/Valverde/Froome battle that we saw at the Vuelta last year. Only guy missing is Purito, he really does have something to find for the Tour. Van Den Broeck as well is miles away from his best.
Looking at Dennis, I am think how TVG would have done, is it possible he'd have been up there?
I suppose it wasn't the most horrendous of climbs but appeared to me to only a little way short of the three big climbs of the Tour (Ventoux, Alpe D'Heuz and Semnoz).
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:05
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pcm2009fan wrote:
[Most of whom are known dopers throughout their career ie not reliable resources to judge natural talent with, right? I mean look at Ricco, who doped his whole life and burst on to the scene as something of a wonderkid.
Valverde beat 15 year olds when he was 8. Is that enough prove of natural talent. Or do you think his father was a lunatic who gave him hgh? Plus where did I mention Ricco? And he didn't 'burst' onto the scene
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:12
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Dauphine, St.5, Valmorel (12.73km, 6.96%, 886m). Rohan Dennis: 33 min 31 sec, 22.79 Kph, VAM 1586 m/h, 5.88 W/kg [DrF]
Chris Froome (68 kg): 32:32, 23.48 Kph DrF: 6.06 W/kg.
Strong numbers from those 2 today though not quite at recent GT winning standards from Froome given the climb was only just through 30 minutes rather than 40+ and the stage was short and relatively undemanding.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:12
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Smowz wrote:
I suppose it wasn't the most horrendous of climbs but appeared to me to only a little way short of the three big climbs of the Tour (Ventoux, Alpe D'Heuz and Semnoz).
All of those are significantly harder than Valmorel. That this was a extremely short stage with basically just the final climb didn't help to make it selective either. Not that the Tour stages will be much harder, mind you.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:17
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I would appreciate it a lot if someone has a rather lenghty video of the climb and could send me a PM. 
Just returned from Tennis, managed to avoid any spoilers, and I can't stand those 3-minute summaries on Youtube...
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:23
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Might be a useful link:
https://www.youtub.../biklimber
This guy uploads highlights from big races. I guess he'll have this stage up within the next hour or two. |
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| Niidirull |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:28
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Taaramäe wrote in his blog that Navarro was actually 1 minute behind at the start of the final climb due to a crash. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 06-06-2013 15:52
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That would indeed be incredible strong. As mentioned, Rolland and Rodriguez were also in the group behind and didn't manage to come back. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 06-06-2013 17:26
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Jurgen Van den Broeck announced that a throat infection is the cause of his bad form. He gets antibiotics and Lotto's team manager thinks there's no problem for the Tour.
Bart Declerq is now team captain for the rest of the Dauphiné. |
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| 547984 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 19:42
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Jurgen Van den Broeck announced that a throat infection is the cause of his bad form. He gets antibiotics and Lotto's team manager thinks there's no problem for the Tour.
Bart Declerq is now team captain for the rest of the Dauphiné.
Not that he will do any shit anyways.
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Posted on 06-06-2013 19:47
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547984 wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
Jurgen Van den Broeck announced that a throat infection is the cause of his bad form. He gets antibiotics and Lotto's team manager thinks there's no problem for the Tour.
Bart Declerq is now team captain for the rest of the Dauphiné.
Not that he will do any shit anyways.
He got two times 4th and one time 5th in the Dauphiné, it's the first time since 2009 that he doesn't get into the top 10. |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 06-06-2013 20:32
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Still need to see the stage as i only got live text from CN as I was at work. Obviously I'm happy with a british win though XD.
Saxo rode for Contador today though I guess? Seems at odds with the comments of the previous page regarding him being nice and letting teammates and other guys win. I would have thought it would make more sense to ride for Rogers for the Dauph (from the start tbh, but certainly after yesterdays TT). Without having seen it though, I can't be sure if he was attacking himself for victory or trying to isolate Froome in hope Rogers could exploit.
I was stunned at how long Dennis stayed up there, epic ride by him.
As for the drug debates, I look at it this way as I find its the way that's most enjoyable. In all likelyhood, they are all at it. Lets face it, we know that Contador (and others, but his the easiest example to use) dopes. We know that when he was definately on dope, he was definately able to beat other guys that were definately on dope. Other guys can beat him now, which means its incredible likely that they are also on dope.
However. all the cyclists say that its all different now. So maybe, we give the benifit of the doubt. Its unlikely, but its more fun. There are a few logical things that do seem slightly different that could suggest everyone is mainly clean.
Contador is not as dominate. This could be because he is not on dope anymore. He is still at the top however, so its unlikely that the others are on dope. Obviously, some guys dope, those that suddenly improve beyond all expectation at a later stage of their and there is absolutely no explaination for it.
Evans got much better this year, but he was formally strong and was said to have a virus for a long period. Its an logical reasons. Froome had a massive jump in improvement, but had an undiagnosed condition that was discovered around the time he improved. Its logical. JTL has a similar situation, in that his development got stunted due to 2 years of illness and that if you knock a couple years off him it doesn't look so suprising. Dennis is young, so the fact he is throwing out WTF results is also logical.
Santambrogio was an average helped for his entire career with really no real results or standout performances. He joined a new team as leader, so you might expect him to pick up some results in weak fields. But he climbs with the best climbers in the world. Thats not logical at all.
Di Luca has a history of getting good results when he takes drugs. His been caught multiple times, and each time has taken drugs again. He comes back with basically no racing and rides like one the worlds best. I dont really need to go on here XD
So basically, I think, if there is a logical explaination for it, even if its a little unlikely, you have to give them the benifit of the doubt. Or accept that they are all dirty and so it doesn't really matter The whole "he dopes she dopes" thing just ends up being more fanboyism then anything else.
I know i'll dig at Contador occasionally, but that's only because he still insists he was clean. I really don't think he has doped this season (if most everyone else is clean).
Its been a good dauph so far tho I think. I'd really like to see Dennis hang onto that Podium, but i kinda have a feeling Rogers might steal it. He was strong here last year and I think he will fancy another strong showing. |
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| 547984 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 21:20
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BritPCMFan wrote:
Still need to see the stage as i only got live text from CN as I was at work. Obviously I'm happy with a british win though XD.
Saxo rode for Contador today though I guess? Seems at odds with the comments of the previous page regarding him being nice and letting teammates and other guys win. I would have thought it would make more sense to ride for Rogers for the Dauph (from the start tbh, but certainly after yesterdays TT). Without having seen it though, I can't be sure if he was attacking himself for victory or trying to isolate Froome in hope Rogers could exploit.
I was stunned at how long Dennis stayed up there, epic ride by him.
As for the drug debates, I look at it this way as I find its the way that's most enjoyable. In all likelyhood, they are all at it. Lets face it, we know that Contador (and others, but his the easiest example to use) dopes. We know that when he was definately on dope, he was definately able to beat other guys that were definately on dope. Other guys can beat him now, which means its incredible likely that they are also on dope.
However. all the cyclists say that its all different now. So maybe, we give the benifit of the doubt. Its unlikely, but its more fun. There are a few logical things that do seem slightly different that could suggest everyone is mainly clean.
Contador is not as dominate. This could be because he is not on dope anymore. He is still at the top however, so its unlikely that the others are on dope. Obviously, some guys dope, those that suddenly improve beyond all expectation at a later stage of their and there is absolutely no explaination for it.
Evans got much better this year, but he was formally strong and was said to have a virus for a long period. Its an logical reasons. Froome had a massive jump in improvement, but had an undiagnosed condition that was discovered around the time he improved. Its logical. JTL has a similar situation, in that his development got stunted due to 2 years of illness and that if you knock a couple years off him it doesn't look so suprising. Dennis is young, so the fact he is throwing out WTF results is also logical.
Santambrogio was an average helped for his entire career with really no real results or standout performances. He joined a new team as leader, so you might expect him to pick up some results in weak fields. But he climbs with the best climbers in the world. Thats not logical at all.
Di Luca has a history of getting good results when he takes drugs. His been caught multiple times, and each time has taken drugs again. He comes back with basically no racing and rides like one the worlds best. I dont really need to go on here XD
So basically, I think, if there is a logical explaination for it, even if its a little unlikely, you have to give them the benifit of the doubt. Or accept that they are all dirty and so it doesn't really matter The whole "he dopes she dopes" thing just ends up being more fanboyism then anything else.
I know i'll dig at Contador occasionally, but that's only because he still insists he was clean. I really don't think he has doped this season (if most everyone else is clean).
Its been a good dauph so far tho I think. I'd really like to see Dennis hang onto that Podium, but i kinda have a feeling Rogers might steal it. He was strong here last year and I think he will fancy another strong showing.
Yeah, this.
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| cio93 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 22:29
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Just caught up with the stage.
If Andy doesn't step up at the Tour, I'll seriously consider passing the mountain stages.
Wiggins (and Porte) aside, the four climbers I detest the most are the fastest today.
Gimme Cav, gimme Greipel, gimme Kittel, gimme Sagan, but I swear to god, get those pricks out of my sight!
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 22:31
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cio93 wrote:
Wiggins (and Porte) aside, the four climbers I detest the most are the fastest today.
Hey, what's wrong with Busche?
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| cio93 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 22:33
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Wiggins (and Porte) aside, the four climbers I detest the most are the fastest today.
Hey, what's wrong with Busche?
Fastest, not first... 
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 22:36
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I know, but you said "fastest today", not "fastest up the final climb", which could be intepreted as fastest on the whole stage.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 22:38
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The good news from today is that Sky doesn't look that strong. Movistar, Katusha and Saxo Bank might actually all three be stronger unless Sky takes Sivtsov or Uran for le tour.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 22:39
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Nit-picking...just let me rant! 
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