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TdF'13 Stage 21 - Versailles to Paris (July 21)
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:31
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Ste117 wrote:
I was thinking about the Hautacam climb the other day on how it hasn't been used since 2008, it would be nice to see it back. I feel they are over using some climbs like Madalaine, Ax 3 Domaines, Pailheres too much in recent years. I would like to see the Cime de la Bonnette, Tourmalet, Aspin, Aubisque, Galibier, Croix de fer and Col D'Agnel back but using towards the end of the stage this time.
Wait, so you think they're overusing Madeleine, Pailhères and Bonascre, but you want Tourmalet? Eh, uh?
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:35
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Its 3.9% average to Saint. It still a climb. Going full guns vs taking it easy makes a big difference. In 2009 by Saint everyone would have already been in the red, whereas that wasn't the case here. That makes a big difference to the last 15.6k.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:35
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I play around with bikeroute a lot and these are mountain stages that should be exciting and could logically be possible:
Marie B, Aubisque, Full Tourmalet with finish in La Mongie after 4 km of descent.
finish in Loudenvielle after Peyresourde - Bales combo
Mtf on Col de Granon (would need Briancon or Serre Chevalier again to come up with the money)
Plus Finestre in the Tour would be great.
And we haven't had the Cormet de Roseland for a very long time
Edit: and a hilly Basque stage please
Edited by Spilak23 on 21-07-2013 22:36
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:35
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issoisso wrote:
It's like the Pico Veleta at the Vuelta...we can dream 
I'd rather have them going up to the Collado de las Sabinas, then go down to Granada again and finish near the Alhambra to be honest. That would be incredibly awesome.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:36
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kumazan wrote:
Ste117 wrote:
I was thinking about the Hautacam climb the other day on how it hasn't been used since 2008, it would be nice to see it back. I feel they are over using some climbs like Madalaine, Ax 3 Domaines, Pailheres too much in recent years. I would like to see the Cime de la Bonnette, Tourmalet, Aspin, Aubisque, Galibier, Croix de fer and Col D'Agnel back but using towards the end of the stage this time.
Wait, so you think they're overusing Madeleine, Pailhères and Bonascre, but you want Tourmalet? Eh, uh?
I love the Tourmalet climb, to be fair it is the most iconic climb in the Pyrenees just like Alpe Du Huez in the Alps, I never tired of seeing them climbs.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:36
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Let's complete the trade. Giro went to the Télegraphe and Galibier. Have the Tour go to the Dolomites.
I want to see Kittel on the Zoncolan while I lie on my couch applauding and eating buttered popcorn in the most decadent manner possible. CLIMB MY SLAVES, CLIMB
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:38
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issoisso wrote:
Let's complete the trade. Giro went to the Télegraphe and Galibier. Have the Tour go to the Dolomites.
I want to see Kittel on the Zoncolan while I lie on my couch applauding and eating buttered popcorn in the most decadent manner possible. CLIMB MY SLAVES, CLIMB
I would pay all my money in the world to have the Giro organization do something to Scanuppia to make it available to be climbed by rider's. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:40
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issoisso wrote:
Let's complete the trade. Giro went to the Télegraphe and Galibier. Have the Tour go to the Dolomites.
I want to see Kittel on the Zoncolan while I lie on my couch applauding and eating buttered popcorn in the most decadent manner possible. CLIMB MY SLAVES, CLIMB
Or Froome on the Mortirolo
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:43
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For some reason my mind keeps wandering to Andy Schleck on the Zoncolan a few years back
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:51
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That Cuneo - Jausiers stage in 2008 could have been better if it didn't finish in a descent.
Cime de la Bonette would be nice.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 22:55
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valverde321 wrote:
That Cuneo - Jausiers stage in 2008 could have been better if it didn't finish in a descent.
Cime de la Bonette would be nice.
The whole 2008 route remains my favourite, it was a well balanced route.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:06
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valverde321 wrote:
That Cuneo - Jausiers stage in 2008 could have been better if it didn't finish in a descent.
Cime de la Bonette would be nice.
Nah, the stage was very good. The problem wasn't that it was a downhill finish, but that it was the day before the Alpe d'Huez stage, which was truly a very hard stage (unlike this year, as much as the double Alpe climb has been hyped) with Galibier, Croix de Fer and Alpe MTF.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:09
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
It's like the Pico Veleta at the Vuelta...we can dream :P
I'd rather have them going up to the Collado de las Sabinas, then go down to Granada again and finish near the Alhambra to be honest. That would be incredibly awesome.
Here, somebody make this Mountain TT for PCM
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=cenes+de+la+vega&daddr=37.1223727,-3.4362181+to:pico+de+veleta,+spain&hl=en&ll=37.054295,-3.359971&spn=0.006739,0.016512&sll=37.149166,-3.533049&sspn=0.053841,0.132093&geocode=FYPrNgIdiwzK_ym77rHxgONxDTGXhk7yNN9E6A%3BFURxNgIdRpHL_ykNL5mNdOdxDTHtuS3rwjO9IA%3BFVxwNQIdBanM_ynjB20DFsNxDTEXKMNnft8ocw&mra=ls&t=m&z=17&via=1
Edited by issoisso on 21-07-2013 23:10
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:11
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Anyone knows when expires Evans contact??? When he was interview it was like hes not really sure about his future.... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:13
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fickman wrote:
Anyone knows when expires Evans contact??? When he was interview it was like hes not really sure about his future....
Has another year. Then probably retires
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| atlanta |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:14
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issoisso wrote:
atlanta wrote:
Yep the mutant was slower than AS and AC up Ventoux
2009: 48:57
2013: 48:35
Well A.Schleck says he was 12 secs slower, and if he is wrong well we seen how 09 was ridden(trackstands). And you do make me laugh, it is so wrong to have no results before 26, I mean we cant all be Quintana and Contador. And all you can say(not you but in general, this all people say) is Armstrong said he never failed, that's what makes me lol when people say well Armstrong never failed a test so why believe CF? Well its 2013 for a start, have Sky had 1 failed test? If their doping why don't Leinders dob them in after getting sacked? How many big names have failed(F.Schleck, A.C) so no chance of a cover up by UCI. So yes I believe he is clean 1 of us will be proved right, I understand why you don't believe but you must TRY and forget past and just as he said let it "STAND TEST OF TIME". |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:18
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issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
It's like the Pico Veleta at the Vuelta...we can dream :P
I'd rather have them going up to the Collado de las Sabinas, then go down to Granada again and finish near the Alhambra to be honest. That would be incredibly awesome.
Here, somebody make this Mountain TT for PCM
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=cenes+de+la+vega&daddr=37.1223727,-3.4362181+to:pico+de+veleta,+spain&hl=en&ll=37.054295,-3.359971&spn=0.006739,0.016512&sll=37.149166,-3.533049&sspn=0.053841,0.132093&geocode=FYPrNgIdiwzK_ym77rHxgONxDTGXhk7yNN9E6A%3BFURxNgIdRpHL_ykNL5mNdOdxDTHtuS3rwjO9IA%3BFVxwNQIdBanM_ynjB20DFsNxDTEXKMNnft8ocw&mra=ls&t=m&z=17&via=1
And another one up the Pic du Midi, please. Can't bother to map it though. :P
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| atlanta |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:27
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BritPCMFan wrote:
Spoiler
1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56:54 Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57:33 Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
22. 2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
24. 1994: 59:02 Richard Virenque 21.85 km/h
25. 1994: 59:02 Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h
26. 1994: 59:02 Luc Leblanc 21.85 km/h
27. 1994: 59:02 Miguel Indurain 21.85 km/h
28. 1994: 59:02 Roberto Conti 21.85 km/h
29. 2009: 59:03 Franco Pellizotti 21.85 km/h
30. 2000: 59:05 Marco Pantani 21.83 km/h
31. 2000: 59:05 Lance Armstrong 21.83 km/h
32. 2009: 59:05 Vincenzo Nibali 21.83 km/h
33. 1994: 59:07 Pascal Lino 21.82 km/h
34. 1999: 59:08 Tyler Hamilton 21.82 km/h
35. 1999: 59:08 Roberto Laiseka 21.82 km/h
36. 2009: 59:10 Bradley Wiggins 21.80 km/h
37. 2004: 59:12 Levi Leipheimer 21.79 km/h
38. 2004: 59:24 Michael Rasmussen 21.72 km/h
39. 2004: 59:27 Stéphane Goubert 21.70 km/h
40. 2013: 59:29 Nairo Quintana 21.69 km/h
41. 2000: 59:30 Joseba Beloki 21.68 km/h
42. 2000: 59:34 Jan Ullrich 21.66 km/h
43. 1999: 59:35 Txema Del Olmo 21.65 km/h
44. 1999: 59:43 Kurt van de Wouwer 21.60 km/h
45. 2009: 59:46 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 21.58 km/h
46. 2004: 59:47 Oscar Pereiro 21.58 km/h
47. 2006: 59:47 Denis Menchov 21.58 km/h
48. 2006: 59:47 Christophe Moreau 21.58 km/h
49. 2009: 59:49 Andreas Klöden 21.57 km/h
50. 2004: 59:50 David Moncoutie 21.56 km/h
Top 50 times for the whole climb. Its 1617 m of climbing over 21,8 km.
EDIT: The 1999 and 2004 times are TTs hence the generally higher figures.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:40
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2009 conditions were favourable. See Garate and Martins time for that. They went minutes faster as Virenque who came from a break aswell
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 23:42
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Regarding the 2014 route discussion:
Would be great to leave out the overused climbs for once. No Alpe d'Huez, Galibier, Tourmalet, etc. There are so many others that are rarely or never used.
Above all, I'm still dreaming of a return to Mont du Chat. Taking on some climbs in French Basque Country would be awesome as well. A MTF on Col d'Errozate after climbing Arnosteguy, for example. Shame the roads around there are so narrow. Really beautiful area.
A visit to the southern parts of the Alps instead of the usual area wouldn't hurt either. Could have a finish in Nice after climbing Turini. 
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