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2015 Giro d'Italia - Week Two (16th - 23rd May)
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:18
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To go against mostly everyone here, why is Clarke helping Porte (and Matthews or whoever it was pacing him)? It's 9 rider teams, not 18 rider teams.
I can't say much about the pacing, it doesn't make sense but nothing illegal. Happened plenty of times in the past. The wheel change was a bridge too far though. I think a penalty was the correct call.
Then again, two minutes? Way too much! How much did Froome and Porte get for picking up food too late in the Tour? 30 seconds or something? That would've been appropriate. Now you just eliminate Porte completely. Unless the Skybots have an update ready to download.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| jacobjc88 |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:19
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I hate Team Sky, but giving Porte 2 minutes for that push? What stupid shit is that? It's not like he was dragged up or a climb or stuff like that. Well that destroyed the race, pfft retarded move by the organizers. I wonder if Aru would have been treated the same way if he had a push?
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| Bikex |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:20
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Of course it sucks for the GC battle to have Porte taken out like that, but honestly I think the Giro organization should stick with the rules. Porte should've known the rules and there is no point in complaining when one has to take the consequences.
Maybe 2 minutes is a little harsh though.. |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:24
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Spilak23 wrote:
deek12345 wrote:
you would think a big team like sky would know the rules.
They are so obsessed with details that they are riding a camper around Italy for 3 weeks so he doesn't have to sleep in the hotel.
Might not be a bad idea to learn the rules first.
Looking into your comments...are you as obsessed with Sky, as I am with Tony?
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| clamel |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:24
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sutty68 wrote:
Is Sepp Blatter in charge at the Giro, its the type of stupid thing he would do 
Agree, this is a very clear Sepp Bladder reaction and head crazy penaly. OK, some 30 sec perhaps, but 2 minutes. Why not DQ Porte direct. Guess that's what Mr Bladder would have done..
Just imagine 200 suisse franc, that's a penny value for him. Ridiculed sum of money.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:25
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The rule is there so teams don't help eachother, SKY should just know about the rule, don't really see a problem with the punishment...
Also i think the conspiracy talks are just dumb, Giro has shown over and over that they enforce the rules just as hard for Italians, as someone said before Bettini got DQd while in pink and Di Luca got a penalty while fighting for pink... |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:26
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jacobjc88 wrote:
I hate Team Sky, but giving Porte 2 minutes for that push? What stupid shit is that? It's not like he was dragged up or a climb or stuff like that. Well that destroyed the race, pfft retarded move by the organizers. I wonder if Aru would have been treated the same way if he had a push?
Penalty wasn't for the push, Clarke gave Porte his wheel, that's what the penalty was for. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:29
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They probably could have made the penalty inclusive of his time loss on the stage but given the way Team Sky reportedly bungled the whole wheel change situation, without Simon Clarke's help it wouldn't surprise me to have seen Porte lose up to two minutes in the end anyway.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:30
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What's up with all the "If he was Italian..."-comments. Very subtle racism. 
Well, got to be honest though after thinking about it: Giro organization stick to rules at least but of course, in cycling cheating is the traditional way of dealing with things. Got so used to this we blame the guys who stick to the rules now?
We have a lying UCI body, we have lying sportsmen, lying teams, lying press...
I find two minutes way too harsh though and think the Giro hurts itself more than it has to. 30 seconds alright or just let both pay some cash. But maybe this is about sending a message. "You can't fuck with us like you do with ASO."
Funny that Giro has each year a huge controversy btw.
Edited by Shonak on 19-05-2015 19:31
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:31
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Posted on 19-05-2015 19:32
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As Malkael said, he might have lost all this time without Clarke because SKY messed up so bad, the penalty to me was deserved and the right call. |
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:33
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This is not italian bias. Giro organization doesn't want the penalty, because it makes the race less exciting.
But they don't make the decision. The UCI's race jury made the decision and the Giro can't do anything about it. |
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Posted on 19-05-2015 19:33
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The penalty was the UCI rule. |
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| clamel |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:39
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UCI rule, but the race commy has the final say so.
https://www.cyclin...wo-minutes
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Posted on 19-05-2015 19:39
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Thank you. I'm baffled at the 200 swiss francs though, when was this rule invented? I mean, who cares about 200 swiss francs?! This must date back before Coppi times like TMM said. But hey, kinda kudos to the UCI for sticking to their rules. It's a rule that does make sense actually when I think about it although it kills the thought of sportmanship.
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| Malkael |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:41
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Ironically, this has happened before during the not so big Tour of Hainan in 2009 so you can't say that race commissars don't have a precedent for enforcing the rule when it is applicable. There's been a few other incidents along the way as well that have made the UCI write the rules the way they are, Movistar Columbia and Movistar Spain cannot ride in the same races due to potential issues arising from having the same sponsor.
Edited by Malkael on 19-05-2015 19:42
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Posted on 19-05-2015 19:41
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How come when riders give each other bottles in the break for example there are no punishments? |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:42
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They should probably rework the rule but there needs to be some kind of rule that makes it impossible for teams to work for eachother, can't have 2 teams working together for 21 stages... An incident like the one today would be kind of a gray zone though i guess...
Edited by gotlandrules on 19-05-2015 19:42
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| Shonak |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:42
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jsh312mufc wrote:
How come when riders give each other bottles in the break for example there are no punishments?
Because it's no mechanical assistance.
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 19-05-2015 19:43
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Not the comissaire, the race jury president. At this race the president is Ingo Rees of the Bund Deutscher Radfahrer.
Malkael wrote:
Ironically, this has happened before during the not so big Tour of Hainan in 2009 so you can't say that race commissars don't have a precedent for enforcing the rule when it is applicable. There's been a few other incidents along the way as well that have made the UCI write the rules the way they are, Movistar Columbia and Movistar Spain cannot ride in the same races due to potential issues arising from having the same sponsor.
When Sicard won the Tour de l'Avenir he was given this penalty for getting a wheel from a France B teammate when he was on France A. |
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