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| matt17br |
Posted on 13-09-2014 17:18
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AiZaK wrote:
Hello people! The Mountain in the Vuelta is finished. What do you think about the Top Climbers???
Contador 83/84
Froome 83
Quintana 82
Nibali 82
Valverde 80/81
Purito 80/81
Aru 80
We are already talking about the new stats 
Anyway, thank you,every suggestion is MORE than welcome
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| Omloop |
Posted on 13-09-2014 17:19
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AiZaK wrote:
Hello people! The Mountain in the Vuelta is finished. What do you think about the Top Climbers???
Contador 83/84
Froome 83
Quintana 82
Nibali 82
Valverde 80/81
Purito 80/81
Aru 80
Personally i would say:
Contador 82
Froome 82
Quintana 82
Nibali 81
Rodriguez 80/81hill
Valverde 79/82hill(Also with better sprint, resistance and stamina than the others above)
Aru 79
Edited by Omloop on 13-09-2014 17:21
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 17:22
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Contador 82
Froome 82
Quintana 82
Nibali 81
Rodriguez 80
Valverde 80
Aru 79
Urán 79
Pinot 79
Peraud 79
Majka 78/79 |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 13-09-2014 17:30
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Guys, just to clarify, the top stat for mountain will be 90% 83.
It is better using all the potential and creating more realistic gaps, don't you think?
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 18:03
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Ok, then imma go with this:
Contador 83
Froome 83
Quintana 83
Nibali 82
Rodriguez 80/81
Valverde 80
Aru 80
Pinot 80
Peraud 79
Majka 79
Urán 79
Bardet 79
Rolland 78/79
Pozzovivo 78/79
Tejay 78/79
Konig 78
etc.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 13-09-2014 18:05
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Curious why you think Pinot should be higher than Peraud?
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 18:12
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Jesleyh wrote:
Curious why you think Pinot should be higher than Peraud?
Because I like him better |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 18:16
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Jokes aside. They were pretty equal through the Tour, but I dont know whether I would like to put Peraud at 80, that seems too much. Likewise putting Pinot at 79 makes him as good as Bardet. And maybe Bardet then needs to be at 78 etc.
I dont really know. Thank god I am not a stat maker |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:00
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Froome 83
Quintana 82
Contador 82
Nibali 82
Rodriguez 80
Valverde 80
Aru 80
Pinot 80
Peraud 80
Majka 79
Urán 79
Bardet 79
Tejay 79
König 78
Kelderman 78
D. Martin 78
S. Sanchez 78
Rolland 78
Pozzovivo 78
etc.
Edited by Arberg27 on 13-09-2014 19:01
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:02
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Froome 83 and Contador 82??? |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:05
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Froome in top condition, no one is near.
Edited by Arberg27 on 13-09-2014 19:07
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:11
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Arberg27 wrote:
Froome 83
Quintana 82
Contador 82
Nibali 82
Rodriguez 80
Valverde 80
Aru 80
Pinot 80
Peraud 80
Majka 79
Urán 79
Bardet 79
Tejay 79
König 78
Kelderman 78
D. Martin 78
S. Sanchez 78
Rolland 78
Pozzovivo 78
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Froome better than Contador despite Contador again beating Froome on a proper summit finish?Now you will bring the argument of ''If Froome was on top form he would have destroyed Conta''
And I read in an interview of Andy Schleck as he said we climbed the Mont ventoux in 2009 11 seconds faster than Froome in 2013.And yes,I know that Schleck and Contador doped at 2009 but also Froome doped at 2013.
And there was a very strong headwind at Ventoux 2009.I don't know about 2013 wind conditions so your argument also fails.Oh and I could post a video about Andy Schleck flying up the mountains in 2009-2010-2011 and could saying that ''He deserves 83-84 in mountains because he in top condition(2009-2010-2011) would have destroyed Froome''
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:15
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Arberg27 wrote:
Froome in top condition, no one is near.
Schleck and Contador in top condition will crush Froome in the most of the summit finishes.The explanation is in the previous post.
So if Froome deserves 83,Schleck and Contador should deserve 84 because of the explanation of your stats cause Schleck and Contador in top condition will crush Froome in the most of the summit finishes.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:25
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If Froome would have raced with those guys in 2009 excluding all the wind,conditions,which stage that is,length of the stage etc.Froome would have finished the stage 8th because there was 2 man from the escape and 6th from the favourites group.And with head wind in 2009 Froome would have been much behind.And Froome was on top condition in ventoux 2013 stage
16. 2009: 58m:45s Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58m:45s Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58m:48s Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58m:50s Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
21. 2009: 58m:53s Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
23. 2013: 59m:00s Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:26
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We're in 2014, not 2009/10.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:29
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admirschleck wrote:
We're in 2014, not 2009/10.
 Says the guy who writes his reply after not understanding my post fully.I am using the Arberg27 logic.
Arberg27 says that Froome in top condition(2013)beats everyone.But we are also not in 2013 anymore.
So IMO Contador should be higher than Froome
Edited by Forever the Best on 13-09-2014 19:32
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:30
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There's a big difference between 2013(dominating TdF) and 2009/2010
Froome hasn't exactly got a good/lucky year, which can happen, and he proved he's still one of the best this Vuelta.
Schleck has done shit the past years.
Also, Froome climbed Ventoux in 48.35, just 2 secs slower than Armstrong, last year, if you really want to go that way(though tbh, I don't think climbing times is good comparing material)
Edited by Jesleyh on 13-09-2014 19:33
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:35
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Jesleyh wrote:
There's a big difference between 2013(dominating TdF) and 2009/2010
Schleck has done shit the past years. You forget that 1 year can make a big difference.And we are looking at this year's result and this year Conta has climbed better than Froome so Arberg27's logic goes to the past.
Yeah and Schleck shouldn't even deserve 75 MO.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 13-09-2014 19:40
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Jesleyh wrote:
There's a big difference between 2013(dominating TdF) and 2009/2010
Froome hasn't exactly got a good/lucky year, which can happen, and he proved he's still one of the best this Vuelta.
Schleck has done shit the past years.
Also, Froome climbed Ventoux in 48.35, just 2 secs slower than Armstrong, last year, if you really want to go that way(though tbh, I don't think climbing times is good comparing material)
In wikipedia froome in 2013 59 mins in 2013,Schleck and Conta 58:45 in 2009.What says about Schleck and Contador in 2009 at the part that gets counted
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 20:10
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
There's a big difference between 2013(dominating TdF) and 2009/2010
Schleck has done shit the past years. You forget that 1 year can make a big difference.And we are looking at this year's result and this year Conta has climbed better than Froome so Arberg27's logic goes to the past.
Yeah and Schleck shouldn't even deserve 75 MO.
Cavendish should not get worse, just because he was unlucky and fall.
Nibali was much better in the Tour than Contador in the Vuelta.
It does not mean, that Cavendish 70 sprint and Nibali 85 mountain.
Edited by Arberg27 on 13-09-2014 20:34
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