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Le Tour de France 2014 - Stage 18 - Pau - Hautacam
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-07-2014 21:40
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who is forgetting.
Froome and Contador actually was in that Tour and both also focused to win it this time. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 24-07-2014 22:21
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valverde321 wrote:
So Peraud has 2nd locked up. Pinot is bad at TT's but Valverde is hardly any better in final week TTs and it is a hilly TT, so the advantage is lessened even more between the two.
And what did Rojas do?
He held on to bike for too long.
But good for Rojas. He is in company with guys like Froome who was similarly thrown out of Giro 2010 as he held on to motorbike after grupetto dropped him.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 24-07-2014 22:23
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Watched the nightly replay again. Nibali is out of this world on Hautacam, so strong. Bertie and Froome, alas who cares, Nibali is a deserved winner, 7 minutes lead speaks volumes though - both for Nibbles strength and well, the rest.
Also, I like that he rides a lot on his own. Attacking from 10km out and so. He just has this instinct and will, something to admire.
Not particularly a fan but he's class and he's an exciting, courageus rider, in a mediocre race unfortunately. But it's not his fault, this lack of competition for top spot.
I also quite like his interviews, looking forward to PCMDaily interview but I think after his TdF win this will take like a couple of years. Maybe until he retires. 
I guess his daughter is too young for a spot on the podium?
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"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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Posted on 24-07-2014 22:39
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dienblad wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
My take on Nibbles nibbling at the competish:
Nibali hasn't dominated the entire Tour like he did today. He's been consistent and most of the time he's taken 10-20 seconds on the other riders.
In my book, Nibali, Contador, Froome and Quintana are the four best GC riders by a longshot. There is a big gap down to nr. 5. Without the other three riders, Nibali is supposed to be the strongest rider. He should be far ahead of guys like Pinot, Valverde and van Garderen. They are good, but they arn't among the top 4.
This was the most dominant show from Nibali this Tour. He climbed Hautacam in 37:25(?). Riis did it in 34.40, Armstrong in 36:20, Indurain in 35.21. Even though Nibali flew away from the others, he's still far behind the other human blood bags on wheels (comparing times from different races doesn't mean that much, but still).
Dominant? Yes.
Suspicious? Perhaps a bit.
Doped? Doubt it.
Still, I think the accusations arn't really based that much on the climb itself, but perhaps more history and association (Astana, Vino).
Amen / +1 / (Y)
Lastly; Nibali had a huge lead going in, I don't think he would have been let go that easily had there been 20 seconds down to nr. 2.
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Posted on 25-07-2014 00:14
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I think the point nibali is trying to make when pushing on despite having a big lead is to show to the world that he can go with the speed at which froome and contador will tackle the climbs and that he will win the tour even if the 2 didn't crash out
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 01:03
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cactus-jack wrote:
dienblad wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
My take on Nibbles nibbling at the competish:
Nibali hasn't dominated the entire Tour like he did today. He's been consistent and most of the time he's taken 10-20 seconds on the other riders.
In my book, Nibali, Contador, Froome and Quintana are the four best GC riders by a longshot. There is a big gap down to nr. 5. Without the other three riders, Nibali is supposed to be the strongest rider. He should be far ahead of guys like Pinot, Valverde and van Garderen. They are good, but they arn't among the top 4.
This was the most dominant show from Nibali this Tour. He climbed Hautacam in 37:25(?). Riis did it in 34.40, Armstrong in 36:20, Indurain in 35.21. Even though Nibali flew away from the others, he's still far behind the other human blood bags on wheels (comparing times from different races doesn't mean that much, but still).
Dominant? Yes.
Suspicious? Perhaps a bit.
Doped? Doubt it.
Still, I think the accusations arn't really based that much on the climb itself, but perhaps more history and association (Astana, Vino).
Amen / +1 / (Y)
Lastly; Nibali had a huge lead going in, I don't think he would have been let go that easily had there been 20 seconds down to nr. 2.
The part that bothers me is where you say Nibali hasn't dominated this Tour up until today.
Im not sure about you, but he has absolutely demolished everyone and even beat Froome and Conta when they were still in the race who if I remember correctly were both healthy on stage 2.
Stage 5, Nibali demolished riders who have a career because they can ride the cobbles better than most.
Then until today, he looked like he was climbing mountains with ease. No signs of ever being on the limit, just following wheels, and still gaining time over everybody else on every single mountain stage, and going out on the attack and winning stages.
Looking at power outputs, Nibali averaged about 6.10W/kg on this climb and many others, something Froome had 6.30 I think on Alpe d'Huez last year (the 2nd time, but similar stage) so I dont think they would be too far apart although Froome would be stronger I think.
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Posted on 25-07-2014 01:11
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If you want comparisons just compare the accelerations and general pace of Froome 2013 and Contador 2014 to Nibali and you'll know he would have had a hard time. But it could have been that he limited the damage well enough/finish in the same time in most mountain stages. In which case the 2.30 bonus he had from the cobbles would be more than enough to win the Tour.
Sadly. We'll never know. We never got a fight this Tour. Anyone could guess a competition with an aging Valverde (who never podiummed the Tour because he was never strong enough), an aging Peraud (who can only reach podium now because of the field) and some young promosing Frenchman would not be anywhere near Nibali.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 25-07-2014 01:16
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valverde321 wrote:
My take on Nibbles nibbling at the competish:
Nibali hasn't dominated the entire Tour like he did today. He's been consistent and most of the time he's taken 10-20 seconds on the other riders.
In my book, Nibali, Contador, Froome and Quintana are the four best GC riders by a longshot. There is a big gap down to nr. 5. Without the other three riders, Nibali is supposed to be the strongest rider. He should be far ahead of guys like Pinot, Valverde and van Garderen. They are good, but they arn't among the top 4.
This was the most dominant show from Nibali this Tour. He climbed Hautacam in 37:25(?). Riis did it in 34.40, Armstrong in 36:20, Indurain in 35.21. Even though Nibali flew away from the others, he's still far behind the other human blood bags on wheels (comparing times from different races doesn't mean that much, but still).
Dominant? Yes.
Suspicious? Perhaps a bit.
Doped? Doubt it.
Still, I think the accusations arn't really based that much on the climb itself, but perhaps more history and association (Astana, Vino).
dienblad wrote:
Amen / +1 / (Y)
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| Movistar |
Posted on 25-07-2014 03:16
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Sucks that TJ had one terrible day because this may be his best chance to podium in the next 5 years with the other young guys improving. Maybe he has the TT of his life, who knows but its probably too hilly for him to take that much time.
He would take second in this tour if he didnt crash.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 03:24
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Movistar wrote:
Sucks that TJ had one terrible day because this may be his best chance to podium in the next 5 years with the other young guys improving. Maybe he has the TT of his life, who knows but its probably too hilly for him to take that much time.
He would take second in this tour if he didnt crash.
Yeah, but I think eh still has a chance. Remember this Tour had barely any TT kms, and he'll still get 5th maybe after boinking and crashing.I'd say his climbing has improved this year just as theirs has. he might still have some room in his growth too. if he gets a Tour like 2012 he could easily podium still.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 04:08
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Movistar wrote:
Sucks that TJ had one terrible day because this may be his best chance to podium in the next 5 years with the other young guys improving. Maybe he has the TT of his life, who knows but its probably too hilly for him to take that much time.
He would take second in this tour if he didnt crash.
Yeah, but I think eh still has a chance. Remember this Tour had barely any TT kms, and he'll still get 5th maybe after boinking and crashing.I'd say his climbing has improved this year just as theirs has. he might still have some room in his growth too. if he gets a Tour like 2012 he could easily podium still.
Nibali was 24 when he finished 6th at the Tour his first time. (He won the Vuelta at 25)
Its not impossible to think Tejay could podium the Tour by the age of 29.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 25-07-2014 12:38
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atlanta wrote:
Nibali fans hate it but tell me how good these climbers are, when Majka can not get a podium for his season goal, yet would be on podium i have no doubt if he did not lose time.
Says it all to me that does, a guy like Contador does it yet here comes non GT winner Majka, called up at the last min and wins 2 stages KOTM, and is defo a podium rider but for first week.
Majka wouldn't climb so well if he wouldn't have chilled at the back of the peloton for most of the days. I even doubt he would make a top 10 if he would've gone all in on every stage like the other GC contenders did. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 13:34
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
atlanta wrote:
Nibali fans hate it but tell me how good these climbers are, when Majka can not get a podium for his season goal, yet would be on podium i have no doubt if he did not lose time.
Says it all to me that does, a guy like Contador does it yet here comes non GT winner Majka, called up at the last min and wins 2 stages KOTM, and is defo a podium rider but for first week.
Majka wouldn't climb so well if he wouldn't have chilled at the back of the peloton for most of the days. I even doubt he would make a top 10 if he would've gone all in on every stage like the other GC contenders did.
I agree here.
Majka and Purito had been on defensive in 1st week of racing while Nibali and co have been on attack since very difficult stage 2, then over cobbles.
So others have had pretty good rest till 2nd and 3rd week.
We should not say if this and if that. Nibali has won and he beat other guys fair and square.
Same way if Contador had won all will be crying, he won bcoz Froome is not there.
Same way if Froome won, u would be crying its bcoz Quintana is not there, or he is doping.
So people are never happy.
There are talents like Majka etc coming up but he would not have challenged Nibali. As you saw in Giro he finished 6th and new rides like Aru beat him. Same way u can say if Aru was there he would have won.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 25-07-2014 14:33
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Now the real big question: Where the hell did Zubeldia come from? Anonymous all race and still into the top ten!
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Posted on 25-07-2014 14:39
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CountArach wrote:
Now the real big question: Where the hell did Zubeldia come from? Anonymous all race and still into the top ten!
Just played smart whole the time and showed himself in the most important stages. Really clever from him, in my opinion, considering the fact he wouldn't stand a chance if he were at the top constantly, trying to "beat" someone like Pinot or Nibali in amount of attacks or anything similar to that.
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Posted on 25-07-2014 14:43
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admirschleck wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Now the real big question: Where the hell did Zubeldia come from? Anonymous all race and still into the top ten!
Just played smart whole the time and showed himself in the most important stages. Really clever from him, in my opinion, considering the fact he wouldn't stand a chance if he were at the top constantly, trying to "beat" someone like Pinot or Nibali in amount of attacks or anything similar to that.
Definitely but I had completely forgotten that he was racing. Just so completely anonymous.
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Posted on 25-07-2014 14:50
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CountArach wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Now the real big question: Where the hell did Zubeldia come from? Anonymous all race and still into the top ten!
Just played smart whole the time and showed himself in the most important stages. Really clever from him, in my opinion, considering the fact he wouldn't stand a chance if he were at the top constantly, trying to "beat" someone like Pinot or Nibali in amount of attacks or anything similar to that.
Definitely but I had completely forgotten that he was racing. Just so completely anonymous.
That's how zubeldia is even in the past.. getting decent results in the tour without being noticed.. He isn't an explosive rider.. he just maintains a constant pace up the mountains.
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 25-07-2014 16:02
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CountArach wrote:
Now the real big question: Where the hell did Zubeldia come from? Anonymous all race and still into the top ten!
Same with Frank Schleck who is 12th. Both were together most of the time. Zubeldia lost 4 min on cobbles and F. Schleck 8 min on cobbles. And that's the time what separates them. But good performance by him. |
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Posted on 25-07-2014 17:28
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libresse wrote:
That's how zubeldia is even in the past.. getting decent results in the tour without being noticed.. He isn't an explosive rider.. he just maintains a constant pace up the mountains.
In the past he got plenty noticed when he used to be riding for Euskaltel. Upfront there with Mayo and everybody saw him. But even then, he did not attack, and glory went all to Mayo. Probably the most "unbasque" basque rider.
Still great Tour from him. Didn't think he still had it in him.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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Posted on 25-07-2014 17:54
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CountArach wrote:
Now the real big question: Where the hell did Zubeldia come from? Anonymous all race and still into the top ten!
He's still alive?!?
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