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| masch20 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 12:15
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
77, with very low recovery.
pretty much the same goes for Martin as for Mollema,both were ill in last week and it shouldn't impact REC skill too much! |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:03
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I thought that it´s mentioned, but What do uoy think about Top Sprinters???
Cavendish 83
Greipel 82
Kittel 82
Goss 79
Kristoff 78/79
Guardigini 79
Sagan 79
Demare 78
Ferrari 79
Degenkolb 79
Bouhanni 78/79
Edited by AiZaK on 21-07-2013 13:03
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:31
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AiZaK wrote:
I thought that it´s mentioned, but What do uoy think about Top Sprinters???
Cavendish 82
Greipel 82
Kittel 82
Goss 78
Kristoff 80
Guardigini 78
Sagan 80
Demare 78
Ferrari 77
Degenkolb 78/79
Bouhanni 79
Edited by fickman on 21-07-2013 22:53
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| Jokke97 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:32
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I think Sagan is 80. He usally finish inn front of Kristoff, Goss etc.
And high acceleration. Probarly 82/83
He is fast, but he hasnt the top speed like Greipel, Cavendish and Kittel.
Edited by Jokke97 on 21-07-2013 13:34
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:56
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fickman wrote:
AiZaK wrote:
I thought that it´s mentioned, but What do uoy think about Top Sprinters???
Cavendish 82
Greipel 82
Kittel 82
Goss 78
Kristoff 79
Guardigini 78
Sagan 79
Demare 78
Ferrari 77
Degenkolb 78/79
Bouhanni 79
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:58
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Vuillermoz should get an update. Finished 20th yesterday on the stage. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:04
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Riblon should have 75 mountian and 85 recovery after that screwfest yesterday.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 21-07-2013 15:36
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What so rec means nothing aswell, so if make CF and BW 85/85 IN mountain and have Cf 85 rec and BW only 60 it will make no difference. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 15:39
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atlanta wrote:
What so rec means nothing aswell, so if make CF and BW 85/85 IN mountain and have Cf 85 rec and BW only 60 it will make no difference.
No it was confirmed this morning that recovery does matter.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:42
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K. Reza ---> SPR ¿¿?? |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:44
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AiZaK wrote:
K. Reza ---> SPR ¿¿??
Y. Gene too.... |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-07-2013 20:45
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AiZaK wrote:
K. Reza ---> SPR ¿¿??
Anyway, he's 72/72, I guess he'll get some more now plus some good recovery
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-07-2013 13:21
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fcancellara wrote:
Guys, keep in mind Mollema was ill in the last week. When editing his stats, look at the Pyrenees stages and not the Alps.
A shame that I have to be the one that reacts on this, since I don't think I get taken serious on Dutch riders 
I know that, but still, I want to say this. 
Anyway. fcancellara is right here. Mollema definitely should be 79 MO. If you want, low REC, but should be on level Kreuzinger on Fickman's list, I think. Really wasn't worse than Kreuzinger, definitely when considering he was ill.
Also, Purito can go to 80MO(I compare with Fickman's list btw), and just very high REC.
Though this is arguable, it's also a bit planning...
Not sure if balance is kept with Froome & Quintana so much ahead of the others btw, maybe they can both drop 1 MO, though I don't have a lot of knowledge of balance etc.
Edited by Jesleyh on 22-07-2013 14:35
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| raulvasa_9 |
Posted on 22-07-2013 15:19
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I think Valverde shiuld have 81 in Mountain, and 82 in hills, the same stats than Rodriguez. Don´t forget that without 10 minutes lost in the flat, he would finished 2 on GC, and after that he became to work for Quintana, and he finished in very high positions the climbs |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-07-2013 15:24
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raulvasa_9 wrote:
I think Valverde shiuld have 81 in Mountain, and 82 in hills, the same stats than Rodriguez. Don´t forget that without 10 minutes lost in the flat, he would finished 2 on GC, and after that he became to work for Quintana, and he finished in very high positions the climbs
No, I don't think that.
Don't forget that if he hadn't lost the 10 minutes, they wouldn't have given him space, others would defend their podium spot against him etc.
Cutting 10 minutes off his time is just not fair.
Also, 82 hills? Dafuq, why?
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 22-07-2013 15:28
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Jesleyh wrote:
Don't forget that if he hadn't lost the 10 minutes, they wouldn't have given him space, others would defend their podium spot against him etc.
Cutting 10 minutes off his time is just not fair.
Tell me, where did he gain time on the other contenders because they allowed him space?
Jesleyh wrote:
Also, Purito can go to 80MO(I compare with Fickman's list btw), and just very high REC.
Nah, he deserves 81. Apart from one bad day, he was the 3rd best climber at the Tour.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-07-2013 15:33
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Don't forget that if he hadn't lost the 10 minutes, they wouldn't have given him space, others would defend their podium spot against him etc.
Cutting 10 minutes off his time is just not fair.
Tell me, where did he gain time on the other contenders because they allowed him space?
Well, I really don't know, haven't watched every second on my holiday. I just mean that you can't just cut 10 minutes off his time, that'd be unfair I think.
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Also, Purito can go to 80MO(I compare with Fickman's list btw), and just very high REC.
Nah, he deserves 81. Apart from one bad day, he was the 3rd best climber at the Tour.
Hmm... Maybe.
But a 80MO & High REC would make him the 3rd best climber in the TdF as well, since he'd be stronger in the Alps than the other climbers at 80MO.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 22-07-2013 15:34
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I think if Valverde options would be followed on the podium, he had been in the lead with Joaquim and Froome.
What happened was that as I had no podium options has sacrificed more for Nairo.
If Valverde would have gone well overall, Nairo had helped to Alejandro and could be Nairo had a 79 (Mountain) and Valverde 81 |
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| Pascheck1990 |
Posted on 22-07-2013 15:37
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Jesleyh wrote:
raulvasa_9 wrote:
I think Valverde shiuld have 81 in Mountain, and 82 in hills, the same stats than Rodriguez. Don´t forget that without 10 minutes lost in the flat, he would finished 2 on GC, and after that he became to work for Quintana, and he finished in very high positions the climbs
No, I don't think that.
Don't forget that if he hadn't lost the 10 minutes, they wouldn't have given him space, others would defend their podium spot against him etc.
Cutting 10 minutes off his time is just not fair.
Also, 82 hills? Dafuq, why?
That's not true. Valverde was at least the 4th best climber in the tour if not third best. Sure Purito was stronger in the third week. but valverde worked for Quintana a bit. Saturday he was the paceman at the last climb and finished 4th |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-07-2013 15:41
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Pascheck1990 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
raulvasa_9 wrote:
I think Valverde shiuld have 81 in Mountain, and 82 in hills, the same stats than Rodriguez. Don´t forget that without 10 minutes lost in the flat, he would finished 2 on GC, and after that he became to work for Quintana, and he finished in very high positions the climbs
No, I don't think that.
Don't forget that if he hadn't lost the 10 minutes, they wouldn't have given him space, others would defend their podium spot against him etc.
Cutting 10 minutes off his time is just not fair.
Also, 82 hills? Dafuq, why?
That's not true. Valverde was at least the 4th best climber in the tour if not third best. Sure Purito was stronger in the third week. but valverde worked for Quintana a bit. Saturday he was the paceman at the last climb and finished 4th
I don't deny that he possibly was the 4th best climber in the Tour.
I agree, he was somewhere around there. But that doesn't justify 81MO, and definitely not 82 HI.
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