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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-04-2013 18:13
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I've been reading articles about cyclists from the past, as well as old magazines I bought when I was half my age.
I was wondering, which races that have disappeared do you miss the most ?
The first names coming to my mind are Classique des Alpes and Züri Metzgete. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-04-2013 18:21
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Looking back in history books, I miss Paris - Tours as a classic and the prestige of Chrono des Nations (before WC ITT it was like the WC ITT). |
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 19-04-2013 20:22
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Aquarius wrote:
I've been reading articles about cyclists from the past, as well as old magazines I bought when I was half my age.
I was wondering, which races that have disappeared do you miss the most ?
The first names coming to my mind are Classique des Alpes and Züri Metzgete.
Züri Metzgete was an epic race. I remember when Cancellara helped O'Grady to 2nd place. He was left behind on most climbs but still came back several times to help Stuart. Just great.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 19-04-2013 20:24
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Not a race on itself but the Puy de Dome during the Tour de France.
I never really unerstood why he isn't used anymore?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-04-2013 20:29
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Bosskardo wrote:
Züri Metzgete was an epic race
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Spilak23 wrote:
Not a race on itself but the Puy de Dome during the Tour de France.
I never really unerstood why he isn't used anymore?
No room for a finish at the top ever since TV coverage became so widespread and demanding.
A couple years ago when ASO said they would begin using new technology to allow finishes on small places, they announced that the Mont des Alouettes was a test for that to see if it could be done, and that if it could, the Puy de Dôme would be next. Then.....nothing. They never talked of it again.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-04-2013 20:41
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I know i was never around, in fact none of us were...
But just those EPIC mountain stages in the grand tours...
Snow, dirt roads, fixies, 10hours or more... Real hard man stuff
It would be so amazing to watch one of those now
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-04-2013 21:06
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Apparently the 2014 Fleche Wallone will start in Bastogne
Interesting...
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 19-04-2013 23:27
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Going deep into the ardennes should make the race harder. But only in the first 50 kms so don't think it will have much of an impact.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 20-04-2013 00:07
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Spilak23 wrote:
Not a race on itself but the Puy de Dome during the Tour de France.
I never really unerstood why he isn't used anymore?
I was actually on holiday there in summer 2011 and I climed the Puy de Dome by foot.
Read this for information why there is no racing anymore:
https://www.climbbybike.com/climb.asp?...ainID=7084
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-04-2013 07:14
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Spilak23 wrote:
Going deep into the ardennes should make the race harder. But only in the first 50 kms so don't think it will have much of an impact.
Only thing I can think of is that it gets in your legs, though. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-04-2013 11:26
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Apparently the 2014 Fleche Wallone will start in Bastogne
Interesting...
It's not the start what they should change to make that race interesting.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-04-2013 13:36
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Ian Butler wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Going deep into the ardennes should make the race harder. But only in the first 50 kms so don't think it will have much of an impact.
Only thing I can think of is that it gets in your legs, though.
Well, yes. To elaborate a bit more, more climbs generally goes along with a bigger use of power for all the riders (some riders could use the same power on the flat, but the others would get dragged), so at the end of the day it's that much energy less, or that needs to be refuelled through eating.
As the finish is the same, the race won't change dramatically, but riders with more endurance will do better, comparatively. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-04-2013 14:07
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I like that the finish stays as it is. I don't understand the obsession with getting rid of any race that's different and trying to make every race the same.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-04-2013 14:15
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It's not the finish itself that's particularly wrong, IMO, it's what the riders do with it. 15 times in a row, the race has been decided by a 3 minutes uphill effort.
If you only consider the final result, anything that happens prior to the Mur is totally irrelevant. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-04-2013 14:21
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I don't see that as wrong. It's different from other races, which is a good thing. I can't think of anything more boring than every race having the same course.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 20-04-2013 14:46
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Aquarius wrote:
It's not the finish itself that's particularly wrong, IMO, it's what the riders do with it. 15 times in a row, the race has been decided by a 3 minutes uphill effort.
If you only consider the final result, anything that happens prior to the Mur is totally irrelevant.
But isn't ever race irrelevant because in the end it comes down to that final result?
You can't force the riders to race in a certain way. Clearly that is the way to win the race, so that is what the riders aim for.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-04-2013 15:03
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TheManxMissile wrote:
You can't force the riders to race in a certain way. Clearly that is the way to win the race, so that is what the riders aim for.
Bartoli, Astarloa, Aerts and Verbrugghe all showed that it can be won on a different way.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-04-2013 15:14
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issoisso wrote:
I don't see that as wrong. It's different from other races, which is a good thing. I can't think of anything more boring than every race having the same course.
I think there are enough races/stages finishing in a bunch sprint already.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-04-2013 15:26
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Name races that end with bunch sprints up a 1km climb at 9.5%
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| arthon |
Posted on 20-04-2013 15:36
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Besides, was there an unworthy winner in the last 15 years or so? I'm sure the winner always is one of the arguably strongest riders on the day. Sure, you can say that a 20-40 km effort is a bigger proof of a rider's ability or form, but that uphill sprint also is quite a challenge. |
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