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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-10-2012 07:06
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His degree in economics isn't worth shit, excuse me for saying so. Firstly, he probably did buy it, since his daddy was a big shot (I don't know if he already was president when Jr. got his degree) and extremely rich.
Secondly, No disrespect, but American colleges are easier than a lot of European ones(depends on what country, though). |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 25-10-2012 12:29
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Ian Butler wrote:
His degree in economics isn't worth shit, excuse me for saying so. Firstly, he probably did buy it, since his daddy was a big shot (I don't know if he already was president when Jr. got his degree) and extremely rich.
Secondly, No disrespect, but American colleges are easier than a lot of European ones(depends on what country, though).
No, his daddy was govenor and got him into yale. Than, while sr. was vice, Bush was accepted to Harvard Business (see the pattern?)...
Actually, what is much more interesting in my opinion is, how Jr. made his fortune. Basically his daddy told him to buy stocks in a certain (oil?) company and one day before the stocks of said company crashed, he sold them. Question is, did Walker see it coming or (and this seems to be the more logical explanation) did daddy tell him so? Afterall, Daddy was involved in the Gulf War at that time...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-10-2012 18:47
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I thought insider trading was illegal in the U.S. too, and that it already was in the early 90's ?
I might be wrong... |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 25-10-2012 18:53
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Just because something is illegal doesn't mean powerful people can't do it... |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-10-2012 20:04
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Yeah, don't think Bush was legit.
This isn't confirmed, but very probable to me: apparently Presidents can even get people killed by secret service. |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 25-10-2012 20:08
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Ian Butler wrote:
Yeah, don't think Bush was legit.
This isn't confirmed, but very probable to me: apparently Presidents can even get people killed by secret service.
Watch out what you say. Don't know who's watching 
On a serious note: People with power (ab)use their power. They always have and always will.
Afterall they like having/using power - otherwise they wouldn't have done so much to get it...
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 25-10-2012 20:56
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Atlantius wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Yeah, don't think Bush was legit.
This isn't confirmed, but very probable to me: apparently Presidents can even get people killed by secret service.
Watch out what you say. Don't know who's watching
On a serious note: People with power (ab)use their power. They always have and always will.
Afterall they like having/using power - otherwise they wouldn't have done so much to get it...
Define People with Power...
Cause if you look close enough, you will see that police men etc, use their powers. And even more subtule: Anyone who could possibly pull rank on somebody (no matter if on the sportsfield or the job) will use this power, to make the people that rank below him suffer...
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 25-10-2012 21:14
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miggi133 wrote:
Atlantius wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Yeah, don't think Bush was legit.
This isn't confirmed, but very probable to me: apparently Presidents can even get people killed by secret service.
Watch out what you say. Don't know who's watching
On a serious note: People with power (ab)use their power. They always have and always will.
Afterall they like having/using power - otherwise they wouldn't have done so much to get it...
Define People with Power...
Cause if you look close enough, you will see that police men etc, use their powers. And even more subtule: Anyone who could possibly pull rank on somebody (no matter if on the sportsfield or the job) will use this power, to make the people that rank below him suffer...
Exactly my point. In terms of the police I think we see a lot of it all over the world.
It would be naive to believe that people drawn to positions of power (not only political) aren't drawn to the power itself - and has intentions of using it for own benefit if given the chance.
And the higher in the system you get the fewer people can control your use of power, as in many cases the police's use of power isn't really being questioned.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-10-2012 21:26
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That's a really sad view of people.
They may not be so numerous, but I'm certain there remains people with a sense of ethics and integrity, even among politicians. Who is working here and has never had or been a superior who wasn't abusing his (limited) powers ? |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 25-10-2012 21:34
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This, i think shows my point in a humoristic way... Given example is to be relted to the point about the workplace made earlier!
And of course there are people with ethics aquarius, but we are talking about a vast majority (not a generalisation) of people who will use their power to make their life easier.
I mean, what is the ultimate goal in life? Isnt it a good life, where you dont have to worry about tomorrow, because you have enough cash in the bank and you only work a small amount of hours so that you can spend a good amount of time with hobbies and/or family...
Well, How do you achieve that? by using the powers you have. And if you are boss of a few people (no talking about CEO's but a rank that you have people that work for you), you will certainly dump off some of your work to them, just because you can and because it makes your life easier...
(By the way, that Ultimate goal thing has to be read from a philosophic point of view )
Edit, just realised that the picture given can be related to the PCM Series too...
Edited by miggi133 on 25-10-2012 21:41
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 25-10-2012 21:45
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Of course there are exceptions and very few people are just in it for the power. But I honestly believe that 95% of people will use the opportunities they have to make their life as good as possible or make the world around them as much to their liking as they can.
Even the idealistic politician will use the power given to him/her to make society more like they prefer it - that's the sole reason to go for political power. There's no reason to work for a position of power if you don't intend to use it. Then some people tend to stretch it a little if they can...
And I have seen several surveys throughout the years suggesting that superiors in the business life have an overrepresentation of psychopathic tendencies.
Not that all with power are (in some extent) psychopaths - but psychopaths will be more determined to gain power - and thus they will be more successful than a not equally determined person
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| kumazan |
Posted on 25-10-2012 21:50
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miggi133 wrote:
Edit, just realised that the picture given can be related to the PCM Series too...
And to the EU, which is the version of that pic I saw first. Not difficult to guess the country at the top and those at the bottom. 
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 25-10-2012 22:00
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kumazan wrote:
miggi133 wrote:
Edit, just realised that the picture given can be related to the PCM Series too...
And to the EU, which is the version of that pic I saw first. Not difficult to guess the country at the top and those at the bottom.
Indeed...
My father has it in his office, thats where i first saw it...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 26-10-2012 05:59
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kumazan wrote:
miggi133 wrote:
Edit, just realised that the picture given can be related to the PCM Series too...
And to the EU, which is the version of that pic I saw first. Not difficult to guess the country at the top and those at the bottom.
So the bottom line is Greece, Spain,Portugal and Italy (South rathet than north)? Watch out, ot your birds will fall off the pole because of all that shite.
Anyway, i agree with Atlantius point of view, corruption by power is there for thousands of years and i think it would be strange and innatural if we think that it will be ever gone.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 26-10-2012 06:00
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 26-10-2012 07:40
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Certainly there are some idealists who get into a position of power. Very few remain idealistic when they get a taste of power, though. Power seems to drive people insane. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 26-10-2012 20:34
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Aquarius wrote:
I thought insider trading was illegal in the U.S. too, and that it already was in the early 90's ?
I might be wrong...
https://en.wikiped...f_Congress
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 26-10-2012 23:58
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STOCK_Act
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-10-2012 00:14
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It's been extremely quiet about the Presidental debates lately. In the Norwegian media it was a huge uproar after the first one, but ever since it's been very quiet.
How has it gone for Obama-rama lately?
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 27-10-2012 00:26
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It's generally acknowledged that Obama "won" the last two debates. A poll by Gallup said that viewers believed Obama won the last debate by a margin of 23 percentage points. It was a debate primarily focused on foreign policy, and it was generally characterized by Romney saying, "Obama's policy on such and such is wrong, this is how I would do it" and Obama would say, "That's interesting, because that's exactly what my administration has done."
There were also some moments of hostility. After Romney bemoaned the fact that our Navy is the same size as it was in 1916, Obama said something to the effect of "Well, yes Governor, there are some differences between our modern military and the military of 1916. For example, we have fewer horses and bayonets."
Mostly Romney was trying not to look like a twat, because American's are generally pleased with Obama's foreign policy. The closest Romney went to suggesting anything different from what Obama has done is to say that on day one of his administration he would label China a currency manipulator, for all the good that would do. It would be like writing a strongly worded letter to Hitler about... oh nevermind, Godwin's Law.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-10-2012 00:27
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He won a close second debate. 3rd seemed pretty even to me.
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