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Le Tour de France 2014 - Stage 17 - Saint-Gaudens - Pla d'Adet (Saint-Lary)
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 23-07-2014 19:23
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alexkr00 wrote:
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Don't you agree Kruijswijk is riding awesome this Tour?? What a beast, he's back! 
15th in the GC is just amazing for him imo.
I wouldn't say he's back. He's on the right path though.
He's far from his 2011 form, if you ask me. Even though he's 16th, he's still more than half an hour behind 
I agree he's not at that form yet, but this comeback is really good to see imo. 16th/15th in the Tour is really good. Even if its half an hour back. Belkin with three riders in top 15 by tomorrow I think. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 23-07-2014 19:31
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Shonak wrote:
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And good job by Mollema being in the attack all day.
Why good job?
It was smart by him to get into the breakaway but so were VDB and Schleck, but: As the highest ranked rider in the group, Mollema didn't initiate anything, he didn't ride to win, he didn't even take pulls if I remember corretly. He was just riding like it was a day in the peloton, whilst other guys were really riding great alongside him. He was in the breakaway - alright, but he was far from really "being in the attack all day" like Kiriyenka, Arashiro or Roche.
Not to be a dickhead against all the dutch guys, but who expected anything else? Mollema profitted, smart racing. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 23-07-2014 19:33
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TimoCycling wrote:
Shonak wrote:
dienblad wrote:
And good job by Mollema being in the attack all day.
Why good job?
It was smart by him to get into the breakaway but so were VDB and Schleck, but: As the highest ranked rider in the group, Mollema didn't initiate anything, he didn't ride to win, he didn't even take pulls if I remember corretly. He was just riding like it was a day in the peloton, whilst other guys were really riding great alongside him. He was in the breakaway - alright, but he was far from really "being in the attack all day" like Kiriyenka, Arashiro or Roche.
He took a lot of turns on the beginning of the break, later Arashiro worked for Rolland, cause they had 3 riders in the group. And he didn't have the legs to attack really, yeah. Just like the whole fcking Tour  . But yeah, he is still 7th by some miracle . I think he would be like 15th last year with these legs.
Oh, I didn't see that then. Scuzzi.
Yeah, with the sickness in first week, Mollema has to ride to cut losses unfortunately. Quite a shame that the Tour has lost so many contenders due to crashes or sickness this year.
Like I said, it was smart by him, I just don't think it's good to say that he has been in the attack all day, especially compared to other riders who rode for the stage win and who turned their inside's out. He mostly rode to take advantage of the big group I think, which is of course a completely legit race tactic. 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| dienblad |
Posted on 23-07-2014 20:54
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Shonak wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Shonak wrote:
dienblad wrote:
And good job by Mollema being in the attack all day.
Why good job?
It was smart by him to get into the breakaway but so were VDB and Schleck, but: As the highest ranked rider in the group, Mollema didn't initiate anything, he didn't ride to win, he didn't even take pulls if I remember corretly. He was just riding like it was a day in the peloton, whilst other guys were really riding great alongside him. He was in the breakaway - alright, but he was far from really "being in the attack all day" like Kiriyenka, Arashiro or Roche.
He took a lot of turns on the beginning of the break, later Arashiro worked for Rolland, cause they had 3 riders in the group. And he didn't have the legs to attack really, yeah. Just like the whole fcking Tour . But yeah, he is still 7th by some miracle . I think he would be like 15th last year with these legs.
Oh, I didn't see that then. Scuzzi.
Yeah, with the sickness in first week, Mollema has to ride to cut losses unfortunately. Quite a shame that the Tour has lost so many contenders due to crashes or sickness this year.
Like I said, it was smart by him, I just don't think it's good to say that he has been in the attack all day, especially compared to other riders who rode for the stage win and who turned their inside's out. He mostly rode to take advantage of the big group I think, which is of course a completely legit race tactic.
Riding like he has done this Tour, not being able to attack out of the group of favourites, you have to be smart. So you can just wheelsuck, or try to get in a breakaway. He did the last (and I favour that!), did some work in the beginning, but surely isn't good enough to fight for the win.
Hopefully he won't do a Kwiatkowski tomorrow, loosing 25 minutes. ut I think he'll manage to hang on untill the foot of the Hautacam, and then finish in the top 10 of the GC (even after the ITT).
But still I fancy the attackers more, hope that Kelderman can progress and enter the Tour next year.
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 23-07-2014 20:58
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Majka claims the motorcycle was "in the way". There's no reason to wonder about the bias against Majka. Not only is he cheating and lying. He's also a boring rider, an annoying character and suspicious. |
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| Iguwell |
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Majka claims the motorcycle was "in the way". There's no reason to wonder about the bias against Majka. Not only is he cheating and lying. He's also a boring rider, an annoying character and suspicious. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 23-07-2014 21:02
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Iguwell wrote:
Majka claims the motorcycle was "in the way". There's no reason to wonder about the bias against Majka. Not only is he cheating and lying. He's also a boring rider, an annoying character and suspicious.
In the way?? Such fucking bullshit, he rode towards the damn bike. He was just showboating and I don't like that. He came off as a dick, and that's weird because in the Giro he acted really normal I think. But yeah, he's young, and got a lot to learn. Karsten Kroon said that aswell on Dutch TV today. Boring rider he certainly isn't though. |
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| TomC |
Posted on 23-07-2014 21:21
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I didn't post anything on this forum for a long time, didn't have time for it. I only visited as a guest from time to time, but I can't stand what are some of you saying about Majka. First after stage 13, when he didn't help Konig. I still can't understand those complains, Konig was the one fighting for Top 10 in GC, while Majka was at 100 and something. Sure, maybe he could win there too, but maybe Riis told him not to cooperate with Konig, we will never know. Now, today's stage. Catching the motorbike, that btw shouldn't be right next to him, you call cheating? Ok, maybe a little and he got the penalty, even if it was just 50 CHF, 10 seconds and 5 point in green jersey, but it wasn't a huge advantage, so the penalty is adequate. And most of all, how can you say, that he is suspicious? If I remember it right, he was 4th from the end after 6 or 8 stages with more than an hour behind. He was loosing time on almost every stage, except 13, 14 and todays 16. So why are you surprised, that he can easily win with riders like Visconti? And counting only last 10 kms, he lost more than a minute to Nibali. He would have no chance to keep up with Nibali and Peraud today. The last thing, calling him boring and care about his winking is just pure nonsense... |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 23-07-2014 21:23
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Iguwell wrote:
Majka claims the motorcycle was "in the way". There's no reason to wonder about the bias against Majka. Not only is he cheating and lying. He's also a boring rider, an annoying character and suspicious.
Stop your stupid hate towards a rider making this Tour exciting as hell. He cheated, yes, got his punishment as well, but he did not win by pushing on a motorbike for under a second. He completely destroyed everyone on the last climb and that is something you have to respect. Although you are not a big fan enough of cycling, if you cannot admit that he won this as he was the best climber (at least in the breakaway).
Suspicious? Come on. He is over two hours down in the GC and he has clearly saved lots of energy for this. Like yesterday he lost about 20 minutes to the GC guys in the last climb of Port de Bales and it is not like he comes out of nowhere. EDIT: Also take a look at his w/Kg:
I admit. Today Majka was a dickhead. He really was. However, I think that he, as Timo mentioned, is a young rider and still has a lot to learn. I did not really expect him to do the blinking and the motorbike stuff but that was not the reason why he won. He was simply the best.
Boring? Oh my. Are you telling me that the rider making the two biggest stages of this Tour de France exciting as hell to be boring? Winking at the camera is boring? Come on, please. You are better than that.
Get your shit together, please, and start enjoying the racing you are offered.
Edited by Kritzo on 23-07-2014 21:36
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-07-2014 21:53
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Why was Majka a "dickhead" and when did he cheat? I missed that, was that in this Tour or earlier? |
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| jsh312mufc |
Posted on 23-07-2014 21:58
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Ian Butler wrote:
Why was Majka a "dickhead" and when did he cheat? I missed that, was that in this Tour or earlier?
He used a pole on the back of a motorbike to pull himself up the last climb and winked to the cameras about it |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 23-07-2014 22:02
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Kritzo wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
Majka claims the motorcycle was "in the way". There's no reason to wonder about the bias against Majka. Not only is he cheating and lying. He's also a boring rider, an annoying character and suspicious.
Stop your stupid hate towards a rider making this Tour exciting as hell. He cheated, yes, got his punishment as well, but he did not win by pushing on a motorbike for under a second. He completely destroyed everyone on the last climb and that is something you have to respect. Although you are not a big fan enough of cycling, if you cannot admit that he won this as he was the best climber (at least in the breakaway).
Suspicious? Come on. He is over two hours down in the GC and he has clearly saved lots of energy for this. Like yesterday he lost about 20 minutes to the GC guys in the last climb of Port de Bales and it is not like he comes out of nowhere. EDIT: Also take a look at his w/Kg:
I admit. Today Majka was a dickhead. He really was. However, I think that he, as Timo mentioned, is a young rider and still has a lot to learn. I did not really expect him to do the blinking and the motorbike stuff but that was not the reason why he won. He was simply the best.
Boring? Oh my. Are you telling me that the rider making the two biggest stages of this Tour de France exciting as hell to be boring? Winking at the camera is boring? Come on, please. You are better than that.
Get your shit together, please, and start enjoying the racing you are offered.
Why was Majka a dickhead? also that 1sec hold on the motorcycle, well he got his punishment and it was dumb, but at least its not like last year with Froome who went sugarcold and got to eat way after 20km limit... he could have lost the tour that day if Team sky and Porte hadn´t given him that gelbar/food.
That i would understand people are complaining over, but what Majka did had zero impact on the result or the climb. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 23-07-2014 22:04
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jsh312mufc wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Why was Majka a "dickhead" and when did he cheat? I missed that, was that in this Tour or earlier?
He used a pole on the back of a motorbike to pull himself up the last climb and winked to the cameras about it
Easy now cowboy. Used a pole to pull himself up? are you insane
He hit the pole and let go in under 1-2secs so if he was cold, i would love to hear the explanation how that would suddenly give him extra speed. |
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Posted on 23-07-2014 22:07
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Jacdk wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Why was Majka a "dickhead" and when did he cheat? I missed that, was that in this Tour or earlier?
He used a pole on the back of a motorbike to pull himself up the last climb and winked to the cameras about it
Easy now cowboy. Used a pole to pull himself up? are you insane
He hit the pole and let go in under 1-2secs so if he was cold, i would love to hear the explanation how that would suddenly give him extra speed.
Why would he grab onto it then,
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Posted on 23-07-2014 22:10
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Kritzo wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
Majka claims the motorcycle was "in the way". There's no reason to wonder about the bias against Majka. Not only is he cheating and lying. He's also a boring rider, an annoying character and suspicious.
Suspicious? Come on. He is over two hours down in the GC and he has clearly saved lots of energy for this. Like yesterday he lost about 20 minutes to the GC guys in the last climb of Port de Bales and it is not like he comes out of nowhere. EDIT: Also take a look at his w/Kg:
For a guy who claimed to be out of form and tired from the Giro he does surprisingly (=suspiciously) well. Also, he's one of the top riders in Riis' team, which means that the chance of him being clean is close to 0.
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Posted on 23-07-2014 22:11
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It's not about whether he gains time with hanging on the pole, wich is not the case ofcourse, but it's the manner of acting. Doing that is just dick behaviour imo. And those little winks made him even more arrogant offcoming, as I mentioned, I haven't seen this behaviour from him thus far. So it might be an incident, but I thought he was a dickhead/arrogant prick in this stage. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 23-07-2014 22:12
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Ian Butler wrote:
Why was Majka a "dickhead" and when did he cheat? I missed that, was that in this Tour or earlier?
Majka blinked a few times to the cameras and as always people just spews hate.
But his pole dance
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Posted on 23-07-2014 22:14
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Majka dedicated the win to his bride, also shouted "I love you Magda!" at the finish, so I think that winking was also dedicated to her
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Why would he grab onto it then,
He is young and does things without really thinking sometimes. Like all young people do |
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Cossack wrote:
Majka dedicated the win to his bride, also shouted "I love you Magda!" at the finish, so I think that winking was also dedicated to her
Polish website made an interview with his bride, she said that shes sure that this winking was dedicated to her same as whole stage win.
Easy to judge, you don't know he catch this motorbike couse he wanted or it was becouse it was on his way and he had to pass it. those who drive it should keep more distance from cyclists. |
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