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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:32
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Hope it's not true, I like him as a rider  . |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:35
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UCI is corrupt as f***.
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:37
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Dizzle wrote:
Hello, Cookson.
More like Brian Crookson
Edited by Kritzo on 28-06-2014 16:39
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:46
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Yup, made me think of Henao as well. It gives me two options:
1) Doping substances from nowadays cannot be detected anymore. The only way to find something is the blood values/biological passport. It's a good thing that these work, but the fact that the doping substances themselves cannot be discovered anymore, frightens me.
2) Biological passports doesn't fully work as intended. Some differences cannot be explained because the human body is too complex to fully understand and these unexplained values automaticaly become suspicious. Riders get punished because of anti-doping laws that have gone too far.
Not sure which is worse to be honest.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:49
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Ollfardh wrote:
1) Doping substances from nowadays cannot be detected anymore. The only way to find something is the blood values/biological passport. It's a good thing that these work, but the fact that the doping substances themselves cannot be discovered anymore, frightens me.
This one, I think. Michael Rasmussen's statements on how you can still cheat the bio passport using microdosing come to mind.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:50
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Kritzo wrote:
UCI is corrupt as f***.
I agree i wonder how much Team Sky had to pay UCI to make this come out now. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:51
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And Majka has already been named as his replacement for the Tour.
I'm not sure what's the worst to be honest: Kreuziger doped, but if he did, will he get suspended? Cause if he does, Henao needs to be suspended as well. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:54
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ShortsNL wrote:
A quick timeline of the incidents described:
-March '11 - August '11: abnormalities in Roman's blood passport occured during this period, found later by CADF. Roman was Riding for Astana.
-April '12 - End of Giro '12: abnormalities in Roman's blood passport occured during this period, found later by CADF. Roman was Riding for Astana.
-Winter '12 - '13: Roman transfers to Saxo/Tinkoff
-28th June '13: Roman recieved letter from CADF about aforementioned abnormalities. Roman tells his team and denies doping. Roman doesn't tell the press, and currently, fails to specify what abnormalties.
-July '13 - October '13: Roman gets the opinion of two 'trustworthy, independent, unbiased, objective' experts and also his team staff check on him. All conclude that he didn't dope and that his abnormalities were caused in another way. He fails to specify what other cause.
-October '13: Roman sends the reports of aforementioned experts and his team to the UCI.
-30 May '14: Roman recieves a letter from UCI that his explanation offered by said experts is not accepted, they give him 10 days to respond.
-June '14: Roman gets an extension until 30 June '14 to respond. He gets a third expert, described similar to the previous two, to check his bio passport data. Said third expert concludes that the data is 'normal' and that there is no ground for suspecting doping. The press release fails to mention again what other cause there was to his anomaly, and this is a contradiction with the word 'normal' provided by the third expert.
-Today: Tinkoff-Saxo pulls him from any future racing until they recieve more info (supposedly from the UCI). The team is not suspending him unless instructed by UCI or the Czech federation. Roman states he is going to defend himself.
-No information is given on any furher action undertaken by Roman/TCS, regarding the submission of the third expert statement to the UCI.
-No information is given on any further action undertaken by the UCI.
Conclusion: The team has pulled him based on blood values, after the UCI/CADF informed him about it, but didn't suspend him yet. Roman/the team failed to bring up a valid explanation for his values according to the UCI, even though he/the team have tried studying the values.
Henao much?
I am amazed at this witch hunt mentalitet in UCI and anyone can only question their motives because its clearly not making a more "clean" sport. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 28-06-2014 16:58
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Miguel98 wrote:
And Majka has already been named as his replacement for the Tour.
I'm not sure what's the worst to be honest: Kreuziger doped, but if he did, will he get suspended? Cause if he does, Henao needs to be suspended as well.
I am almost 100% sure that you will hear that after the tour nothing will come out of this .
But it shows that Tinkoff needs a stronger team for Contador.
Majka is good but he has a giro in the legs and will be worthless. And that means Contador pretty much has zero teammates like under Dauphine.
Edited by Jacdk on 28-06-2014 17:01
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 28-06-2014 17:02
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Jacdk wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
And Majka has already been named as his replacement for the Tour.
I'm not sure what's the worst to be honest: Kreuziger doped, but if he did, will he get suspended? Cause if he does, Henao needs to be suspended as well.
I am almost 100% sure that you will hear that after the tour nothing will come out of this .
But it shows that Tinkoff needs a stronger team for Contador.
Majka is good but he has a giro in the legs and will be worthless.
I disagree with you here. He might be worthless in the first week, but his form will increase towards the 3rd week (obviously), where he might do lots of good things for Contador.
But this means that he will miss out on the Vuelta, and I did look forward to see him go Top5 there.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 28-06-2014 17:14
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A Ferrari client has strange blood values? Never 
The process has been followed as it should have been, although it is worrying the abnormalities weren't spotted immediately. The fact Kreuziger has no defence except claiming the values are "normal" when that's clearly untrue is bizarre however. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-06-2014 19:42
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Majka is not happy about his sudden selection: "I am not ready, I don't feel ready. Yesterday I got a phone call from Bjarne with the decision. I am not happy about it, I think the team doesn't care about my health. I am 24 after all, 2 GTs in a row is a big challenge. "
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 28-06-2014 19:47
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I agree. They took away his Vuelta chances and he hasn't even prepared at all. At 24 that can really hurt his development,
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| steve smink |
Posted on 28-06-2014 20:03
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Looks like only Roche and Rogers will be on form for the tour but they both have had the Giro in their legs something which Kreuziger had not.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 28-06-2014 20:16
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Whats the point of calling up a climber in crap form whos not ready. Would be much better in getting someone like Breschel or Morkov to help Bertie on flat and cobbles. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 28-06-2014 20:16
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Majka is not happy about his sudden selection: "I am not ready, I don't feel ready. Yesterday I got a phone call from Bjarne with the decision. I am not happy about it, I think the team doesn't care about my health. I am 24 after all, 2 GTs in a row is a big challenge. "
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I would be cautious around such a untrustworthy source and where does he get it from? |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 28-06-2014 20:27
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Jacdk wrote:
I would be cautious around such a untrustworthy source and where does he get it from?
The guy is from Poland, he's a cycling geek, is writing for oldest cycling Polish site (rowery.org) and looks to be part of bikepure.org crew. All of his tweets seems to be fair and accurate, so I am failry sure we can trust him.
Edited by admirschleck on 28-06-2014 20:27
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 28-06-2014 20:30
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Whats the point of calling up a climber in crap form whos not ready. Would be much better in getting someone like Breschel or Morkov to help Bertie on flat and cobbles.
The @tinkoff_saxo team for @letour probably: Contador, Rogers, Roche, Paulinho, Hernandez, Bennati, Tosatto, Mørkøv and Majka.
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I honestly expected Zaugg after his last stage in Suisse. Surprised by Tosatto, but oh well. Braschel is kinda sick, so I understand that. But this case about Majka is kinda odd, especially since he is being so vocal about it. |
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| Dizzle |
Posted on 28-06-2014 20:37
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Riis123 wrote:
The @tinkoff_saxo team for @letour probably: Contador, Rogers, Roche, Paulinho, Hernandez, Bennati, Tosatto, Mørkøv and Majka.
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I honestly expected Zaugg after his last stage in Suisse. Surprised by Tosatto, but oh well. Braschel is kinda sick, so I understand that. But this case about Majka is kinda odd, especially since he is being so vocal about it.
Would totally pick Zaugg over Paulinho - has not shown anything.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-06-2014 20:53
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Jacdk wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
UCI is corrupt as f***.
I agree i wonder how much Team Sky had to pay UCI to make this come out now.
I am assuming that these comments are a joke? The timing isn't great but come on! If there are dodgy blood values that can't be explained then why shouldn't this happen? Krueziger has had a bad smell about him for a while with links to "doctors" like Ferrari.
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