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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:30
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lluuiiggii wrote:
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While everyone may care some have access to better resources
unless your telling me Team UK Youth have the same training standards, resources and methods as sky?
So easy to compare UK Youth with Sky.. what about BMC and Sky? Lack of resources wouldn't be the reason why they'd have different training standards at least.
Okay Cofidis and Sky
Also Cofidis and Sky won´t have bigger differences. They both do spiroergometries and that realeated stuff and have experts who learned the same at their universities. Of course Sky pays better and thus might get more experienced guys, but I don´t see where Sky could have a big advantage over Cofidis.
budget That still doesn't change much. Both teams work on bike position, so the gains there are minor. Both teams record riders training data, check their riders health and physiological parameters, and thus determine what's the best training for them, according to their knowledge of human bodies, of their riders, etc.
A bigger budget would mean more staff, and a more competent one (but there's hardly a lot to gain there), so that would give more time per rider for each staff member, but that's about it.
Frankly, I'm longing for the day when one of those Sky super-well-trained beast will sign with another team to become a TDF leader. You'll be amazed because such a rider will probably have "forgotten" how to train (given he's not signed for another shabby team).
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| SaddleSore |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:37
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I'd like to add to the whole debate that we are in a golden age of British cycling, due to massive cash injections lottery funding is providing UK sport. The lottery is nothing new in the UK but it's around the time of Beijing Olympics that the funding really started to tell. The cream of British talent is getting the funding and facilities they need to compete at the highest level of sport.......
Also can we please change the title to Cofidis Doping thread please.
Come on Remy if you're going to dope at least win a bloody stage!!
Edited by SaddleSore on 10-07-2012 21:38
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:43
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SaddleSore wrote:
I'd like to add to the whole debate that we are in a golden age of British cycling, due to massive cash injections lottery funding is providing UK sport. The lottery is nothing new in the UK but it's around the time of Beijing Olympics that the funding really started to tell. The cream of British talent is getting the funding and facilities they need to compete at the highest level of sport.......
Also can we please change the title to Cofidis Doping thread please.
Come on Remy if you're going to dope at least win a bloody stage!!
No, we can't. thanks for the offer. How does money make Froome the 3rd best climber int he world all of a sudden. He got a million pounds and that makes him stronger?
Edited by baseballlover312 on 10-07-2012 21:45
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| SaddleSore |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:44
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I also attended about two years ago a seminar given by Dave Brailsford about training, techniques and the journey of the British Olympic team....it was inspirational stuff to see videos of Wiggins and Thomas push themselves to breaking point or in this case vomiting point....with some ground breaking methods thrown in, plus it was clear to see the respect the riders had for Mr Brailsford who is a born leader and motivator... |
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| SaddleSore |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:48
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More money = better everything. Staff has to be the major part though.
Take football and the Manager merry go round, the football world seem to believe that having an excellent manager will mean better results....surely that transitions across all sports?? |
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| SaddleSore |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:50
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and yes I agree that Froome's results are somewhat exceptional, but that is what they are...exceptional unless proven otherwise |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:53
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SaddleSore wrote:
I'd like to add to the whole debate that we are in a golden age of British cycling, due to massive cash injections lottery funding is providing UK sport. The lottery is nothing new in the UK but it's around the time of Beijing Olympics that the funding really started to tell. The cream of British talent is getting the funding and facilities they need to compete at the highest level of sport.......
As we all know, money buys talent to give to specific riders.....I guess that's where Iban Mayo's talent must've gone
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Also can we please change the title to Cofidis Doping thread please.
Come on Remy if you're going to dope at least win a bloody stage!!
As attempts to deflect go, that one's weak 
But I did like the following joke I saw on twitter:
Congrats to the french police on finding Rémi Di Gregorio. Nobody's been able to find him at the Tour so far
SaddleSore wrote:
I also attended about two years ago a seminar given by Dave Brailsford about training, techniques and the journey of the British Olympic team....it was inspirational stuff to see videos of Wiggins and Thomas push themselves to breaking point or in this case vomiting point....with some ground breaking methods thrown in, plus it was clear to see the respect the riders had for Mr Brailsford who is a born leader and motivator...
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with doping? 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:56
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So as the rest day draws towards the end Sky have not been busted.
Cofidis are in trouble, except its the ex-astana rider and an investigation from last year.
I think that's fairly conclusive (thus far, but of course it may change no need to yell it)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:58
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Wait, they haven't been busted for 9 days, so that's conclusive?
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2012 21:59
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issoisso wrote:
Wait, they haven't been busted for 9 days, so that's conclusive?
more conclusive than riding well
and its more like since january 2010 which is 2 1/2 years
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:01
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You're beyond help dude 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:01
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You're beyond help dude
really? how
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:05
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TheManxMissile wrote:
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You're beyond help dude
really? how
If they can last 2 years without getting caught, 9 days should be nothing
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| SaddleSore |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:07
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SaddleSore wrote:
I also attended about two years ago a seminar given by Dave Brailsford about training, techniques and the journey of the British Olympic team....it was inspirational stuff to see videos of Wiggins and Thomas push themselves to breaking point or in this case vomiting point....with some ground breaking methods thrown in, plus it was clear to see the respect the riders had for Mr Brailsford who is a born leader and motivator...
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with doping? [/quote]
it's evidence that they don't dope....taking in the same light as winning is to some people evidence that they doped |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:09
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SaddleSore wrote:
SaddleSore wrote:
I also attended about two years ago a seminar given by Dave Brailsford about training, techniques and the journey of the British Olympic team....it was inspirational stuff to see videos of Wiggins and Thomas push themselves to breaking point or in this case vomiting point....with some ground breaking methods thrown in, plus it was clear to see the respect the riders had for Mr Brailsford who is a born leader and motivator...
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with doping?
it's evidence that they don't dope....taking in the same light as winning is to some people evidence that they doped[/quote]
Yep, they just try harder than the competetion
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:10
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SaddleSore wrote:
SaddleSore wrote:
I also attended about two years ago a seminar given by Dave Brailsford about training, techniques and the journey of the British Olympic team....it was inspirational stuff to see videos of Wiggins and Thomas push themselves to breaking point or in this case vomiting point....with some ground breaking methods thrown in, plus it was clear to see the respect the riders had for Mr Brailsford who is a born leader and motivator...
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with doping?
it's evidence that they don't dope....taking in the same light as winning is to some people evidence that they doped[/quote]
No words for that.
You know another rider who puked after races although he was only a child? Danilo di Luca. He also had some ground-breaking methods.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:10
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SaddleSore wrote:
I also attended about two years ago a seminar given by Dave Brailsford about training, techniques and the journey of the British Olympic team....it was inspirational stuff to see videos of Wiggins and Thomas push themselves to breaking point or in this case vomiting point....with some ground breaking methods thrown in, plus it was clear to see the respect the riders had for Mr Brailsford who is a born leader and motivator...
Any like of Brailsford certainly has to test his riders and bring them to their breaking or vomiting point, as you call it (I've been there too, so I'm clean ? Or perhaps doped ?). Any like of Brailsford has to be a good motivator, and should get respect from his riders.
What does it prove ? That Sky can do a good story-telling. What does it say about doping or not doping ? Nothing at all. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:11
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TheManxMissile wrote:
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You're beyond help dude
really? how
Postal wasn't even trying much to hide their doping, just stopped using drugs and methods as they became detectable, and it took 14 years to catch them.
SaddleSore wrote:
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I also attended about two years ago a seminar given by Dave Brailsford about training, techniques and the journey of the British Olympic team....it was inspirational stuff to see videos of Wiggins and Thomas push themselves to breaking point or in this case vomiting point....with some ground breaking methods thrown in, plus it was clear to see the respect the riders had for Mr Brailsford who is a born leader and motivator...
I'm sorry, what does this have to do with doping?
it's evidence that they don't dope....taking in the same light as winning is to some people evidence that they doped[/quote]
Going to vomiting point = watch any professional sport physiological test, ever. Heck, it's summer, go watch draft combine testing for literally any american sport. They have vomit bags next to the exhaustion test (which is on a bike) and if you don't vomit it's considered you don't have the mental strength to do it for the team, considering the goals and indications given to you before the test
As for being a born leader and motivator, godwin's law aside....so was hitler. How in the world does it have anything at all to do with being honest?
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Posted on 10-07-2012 22:13
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felix_29 wrote:
No words for that.
You know another rider who puked after races although he was only a child? Danilo di Luca. He also had some ground-breaking methods.
Di Luca should be arrested for the heinous crime of naming his kid Luca Di Luca........and Robbie McEwen too, for the same reason.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2012 22:14
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issoisso wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
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You're beyond help dude
really? how
Postal wasn't even trying much to hide their doping, just stopped using drugs and methods as they became detectable, and it took 14 years to catch them.
still dont get why that means im beyond help?
beyond help with what?
I know postal doped, i used to argue they didnt, then i was presented with scientific evidence they doped, and now i will argue they did happily
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