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| mb2612 |
Posted on 30-09-2013 19:28
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I tweeted Vaugters, unsurprisingly he didn't respond.
Surely you accept that Garmin testing a rider and missing something is a more likely story than the entire British cycling fraternity lying about something which is easily verifiable.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 30-09-2013 19:48
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Garmin - Did one blood test in early 2012, post JTL's performances in Europe. What did they test for? Haematocrit levels? White blood cell count? What? That he had blood? We have no idea. What we do know is that it was ONE test.
Biological Passport - Have done several tests (I would imagine around 4 over the past year at least going on other rider accounts of testing etc). Measuring not just one thing, but everything to do with his blood. They've found out abnormal values from his first test - around the time when he was still in stellar "attacking-with-Contador-at-World-Champs" form/when it was announced Sky had signed him. Then what happens? His form drops due to "over training", his blood values/abilities return to normal as he's actually being tested now, and, lo and behold, his values aren't the same.
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| ChrisHallUK |
Posted on 30-09-2013 20:01
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rjc_43 wrote:They've found out abnormal values from his first test - around the time when he was still in stellar "attacking-with-Contador-at-World-Champs" form/when it was announced Sky had signed him. Then what happens? His form drops due to "over training", his blood values/abilities return to normal as he's actually being tested now, and, lo and behold, his values aren't the same.
That's how I've been reading into all this anyway.
I'm not a Sky hater, far from it and I totally agree, Sky quickly released a statement making sure to add it was discrepancies from pre-Sky days, and you can't imagine it is the other way considering the rapid drop in ability, not just form. Worrying news for JTL but could be a blessing for Sky as they can replace him with a strong domestique as something is "there" and Sky is zero tolerant so he will be on his way out, probably to Garmin as they are practically a rehab team! |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 30-09-2013 20:10
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And, to be fair, his excuse for poor form this year because he's overtrained would, actually, be quite correct.
If Sky gave him numbers to hit that were based off his "abnormal" values, then to try and hit them whilst at "normal" values would be recipe for over training very fast and very effectively. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 30-09-2013 20:42
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rjc_43 wrote:
And, to be fair, his excuse for poor form this year because he's overtrained would, actually, be quite correct.
If Sky gave him numbers to hit that were based off his "abnormal" values, then to try and hit them whilst at "normal" values would be recipe for over training very fast and very effectively.
As an aside a number of Sky riders were complaining about overtraining during their total failure of a classics season. If memory serves to the point of refusing to continue during one session.
At the time Brian Smith said much the same thing, live on air on Eurosport - that not everyone can train as hard as Froome and Wiggins. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 12-10-2013 09:57
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Lance's Motoman (Philippe Maire):
How hard is it to find a bike mechanic?
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 10:00
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Okay, have to ask. Who's Maire? |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 12-10-2013 10:01
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Miguel98 wrote:
Okay, have to ask. Who's Maire?
Crommy wrote:
Lance's Motoman (Philippe Maire):
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 10:01
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I have no idea what a motoman is. I only know it's probably related to either doping or mechanic. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 12-10-2013 10:03
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He carried dope to Armstrong and team mates during Le Tour on his motorbike.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 10:04
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Selwink wrote:
He carried dope to Armstrong and team mates during Le Tour on his motorbike.
Thanks.
I'm going ot laugh then. |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 12-10-2013 20:55
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Incidently. his next tweet expands that he doesn't think the guy did anything other the mechanic work but it shows the stupidly intertwined world of cycling.
If true, it hillarious regardless though either way. Any idea when it happened (IIRC, motoman only came out in the USADA report, so its its pre-that I guess its not quite as moronically stupid) |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:21
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I'm quite sure there are many Monegask cyclists (lots of cyclists live there) that work with him.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:23
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His identity and all that came out in USADA report, but ever since Landis started to talk, if not before, it was well-known that US Postal was using a motorbike with coolers to transport blood bags around and avoid police or customs raids.
Given Sky's irreproachable policy on doping, are they now going to fire all those involved with Motoman ?  |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:26
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Schleck apparently also claims he's the one who gave him the Xipamide.
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| andy4ever |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:28
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Spilak23 wrote:
Schleck apparently also claims he's the one who gave him the Xipamide.
I thought Schleck denied having done anything wrong? I seem to remember him talking about an investigation to find out if some kind of food or drink could have caused the positive test. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 12-10-2013 21:34
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andy4ever wrote:
drink could have caused the positive test.
He accuses Marie of giving him that bottle.
In other words Marie was supplying him dope, Fränk gets caught so he does what a real Schleck does in that situation: claiming he didn't know of anything and accusing his trafficant for drugging him
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| andy4ever |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:10
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Spilak23 wrote:
andy4ever wrote:
drink could have caused the positive test.
He accuses Marie of giving him that bottle.
In other words Marie was supplying him dope, Fränk gets caught so he does what a real Schleck does in that situation: claiming he didn't know of anything and accusing his trafficant for drugging him
I see  My biased and overly optimistic self chooses to believe him though, I simply can't make the Schlecks and doping fit together... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:21
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andy4ever wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
andy4ever wrote:
drink could have caused the positive test.
He accuses Marie of giving him that bottle.
In other words Marie was supplying him dope, Fränk gets caught so he does what a real Schleck does in that situation: claiming he didn't know of anything and accusing his trafficant for drugging him
I see My biased and overly optimistic self chooses to believe him though, I simply can't make the Schlecks and doping fit together...
So you accept their explanation that the reason they were travelling across three countries to go pay tens of thousands of euros to a gynecologist who hasn't practiced medicine in 25 years and is a known dope salesman, was for medical advice? |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 12-10-2013 22:48
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issoisso wrote:
andy4ever wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
andy4ever wrote:
drink could have caused the positive test.
He accuses Marie of giving him that bottle.
In other words Marie was supplying him dope, Fränk gets caught so he does what a real Schleck does in that situation: claiming he didn't know of anything and accusing his trafficant for drugging him
I see My biased and overly optimistic self chooses to believe him though, I simply can't make the Schlecks and doping fit together...
So you accept their explanation that the reason they were travelling across three countries to go pay tens of thousands of euros to a gynecologist who hasn't practiced medicine in 25 years and is a known dope salesman, was for medical advice?
Who better to tell Andy his a total vagina? |
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