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| KrisDK |
Posted on 06-09-2014 16:09
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Chris Juul +12 COB (53 -> 65) |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 06-09-2014 16:46
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matt17br wrote:
gotlandrules wrote:
Ppl still went Majka on the same MO stat as Aru? Thats just wrong...
No, it's quite right, infact he has lower backup stats. And he was amazing at le tour.
No, it really is not quite right. Majka should be atleast 1 possibly 2 under Aru in Mo and probably Hil aswell. Majka 78 Aru 79-80 in MO. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 06-09-2014 17:43
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And after Vuelta, Brussels, Alberta:
Van Staeyen +1 SP & ACC because of his great year and this was one of the best results for him
Roy Jans +1 SP & ACC
Giampaolo Caruso +1 MO
Bos +1/2 ACC, such a beast, really
Navardauskas on 76 SP and 76 ACC
Guardini on 77 SP and 78 ACC
Vervaeke +3 HI (71)
Stuyven 70 HI (+2)
Spoiler Petacchi -1 SP & ACC
Pelucchi +1 SP -1 ACC
Markus -1 SP -1 ACC
Dehaes -1 SP & ACC
Valverde (yeah, didn't have the same shape of a time in sprints) SO -1 SP
Grosu +3 SP & +4 ACC (really you must watch one of his sprints, he his PURE power)
Modolo +1 ACC
Moreno Moser +3 SP (he is quite fast)
Geraint Thomas +1/2 SP
Vanmarcke -1 SP
Navardauskas -1 SP +2 ACC (76-76)
Boonen -1 SP +2 ACC
Vangenechten +1 SP +1 ACC
Bos +1/2 ACC, he is a beast in Acceleration.
Gaurdini +1 SP
Mclay +2 SP & ACC
Daniel Hoelgaard +1 SP & ACC
Van Staeyen +1 SP&ACC
Jans +1 SP & ACC
De Buyst overall upgrade (mainly focused on SP guy)
FL:69
SP:70
ACC:71
END:69
RES:68
REC:66
HIL:67
PO:5/6
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Horner -1 MO & HI and backup stats downgrade
Fuglsang -1 MO
Kreuziger -1 MO
Betancur/Costa +1 MO (Costa more likely a "77.5", but with his backup stats then it could suit)
Van Garderen +1 MO
Giampaolo Caruso +1 MO & Higher backup stats
Nieve +1 MO with low backup stats
Luis Mas from Caja Rural overall upgrade, like 71 MO etc..
Peraud -1 MO (This is a crucial stat, I think that Peraud did very good at the Tour, but it was his only podium in a GT... He is now the 6th best GT rider, I'd better put him on 79 with higher backup stats)
Miguel Angel Lopez +2/3 MO
Zoidl -1 MO
Anyway: Barguil too underrated +1 MO +1 HI
Sicard +2 MO +2 HI
Anacona +2 MO +2 HI
Serry +3 MO
Navarro +1 MO
Pardilla +1 MO
Gorka Izagirre +2 MO
Teunissen 68 MO (+8) +2 FL 68 TT (+6)
-3 MO & HI Vanotti, he isn' a climber at all, +4 FL for him.
Damiano Caruso +3 REC
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Nibali +1 DO (minor update)
Stybar +2 DO (minor update)
Martin 76 DO (minor update)
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Turgot -1 COB
Vincent Jerome -1 COB
Oss-Devolder-Bozic +1 COB
Gilbert -1/2 COB (only because he doesn't race Cobbles classics, so with 75 could compete in let's say Harelbeke and be top 10)
Danny Van Poppel +5 COB
Fuglsang +1 COB (Same as Nibali)
Skujins +1 COB
Groenewegen +1/2 COB
Juul Jensen 65 COB (+12)
Haussler -1 COB
Roelandts -1 COB (Overrated guy in every db, his only really good result on the COBBLES was 3rd at RVV)
Wellens +5 COB (69), 64 is a bit low for this guy who proved that he can resist onto nearly every terrain.
Skjerping 67 COB
Benoot 66 COB
Kung 64 COB
Groenewegen 68 COB
Teunissen 70 COB
Van Keirsbulck 75 COB
Senechal 75 COB
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Froome -1 TT
Dumoulin +1 TT
Kwiatky +1 TT
Van Garderen is more likely a 77.49, so -1 TT
Dennis +1 TT
Dowsett +1 TT
Tvetcov +3 TT +3/4 FL (you said that you updated him, but.. no)
Degand +4 TT & PRL
van der lijke +9 TT (70) +7 PRL (71)
Uran +4/5 FL, Serry +2 TT
Samu Sanchez +1 TT
Wellens +2 TT
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Cancellara -1 PRL
Martin +1 PRL
Dumoulin +1 PRL
Malori -1 PRL
Phinney -1 PRL (I know he did nothing this year, but he NEVER done nothing in PRL, mainly good in long TTs)
Kwiatky +1 PRL
Thomas & Dowsett -1 PRL
Froome +1 PRL
Danny van Poppel +1 PRL
Tvetcov +4 PRL
Degand +4 PRL
Formolo +3 PRL
Cattaneo +3 PRL
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Daniel Moreno -1 HIL
Giampaolo Caruso +1 HIL
Majka +1 HIL
Gallopin +1/2 HIL (most likely 2)
Wellens +1/2 HIL (Most likely 2)
Van Keirsbulck +2/3 HIL
Hofland +2 HIL, he's very underrated.
Magnus Cort +1 HIL
Tom Dumoulin -1 HIL
Zoidl -1 HIL
Miguel Angel Lopez +4/5 HIL
Roelandts -1 HIL
Alafaci +4/5 HIL, he is a quite good puncher, too.
Tony Martin -2 HIL with 75 he would have won TDS
Aru +1 HIL (77 is worth)
Pasqualon +2 HIL, he is a good puncher
Rohan Dennis +1 HIL
Navarro 76 HIL (+1)
Bouhanni 72 HIL if not 73 but is better 72 (+3)
Vervaeke +3 HI (71)
Stuyven 70 HI (+2)
Overall upgrade for Andrea Fedi:
FL:71
SP:69
END:72
RES:70
REC:68
HIL:72
PO:6
Davidenok overall update (underrated in the db):
FL:69
MO:70/71
TT and PR:65-66
ACC:71
END:70
RES:66
REC:71/72
HI:72
PO:7
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Some rec suggestions as well:
Kittel has too high REC: Better put him to 80 REC, so -2 REC
Cav -1 REC
Uran -1 REC
Greipel -1 REC
Kristoff, crucial update +3/4 REC, because he's better in the 3rd week
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And why not some Potentials suggestions?!
Wellens 7 (biggest missing from the 7 po list)
Kudus 7 (tough one, but he's very young and he has already got some great results)
Grosu 7
Teunissen 7 (one of the best young guns for the cobbles classics)
Groenewegen 7 (same as above, bit less)
Alaphilippe 7
De Buyst 5
Davidenok 7 (+ overall upgrade)
Ruffoni 6 (tough one)
Daniel & Markus Hoelgaard 6
Mclay 6
Haig 6
Felline 6
Hugh Carthy 7
Muhlberger 7
Herklotz 7
Vervaeke 7
Sicard 6 (I know it is weird, but I would like to give a possibilit to this guy)
Gougeard 7
Mullen 6 + Great overall upgrade
Boudat 6 + Great Overall Upgrade
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Disclaimer:
All those stats are very subjective!
The post is updated constantly, every time I want to suggest something.
Edited by matt17br on 07-09-2014 11:08
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 07-09-2014 13:59
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On Wellens: 71 MO is way too low, TT and PR should be at least at 73 as well, otherwise he can't get second in TT NC. And his fighting stat should be very high as he's always super-active, but sometimes just doesn't get the results..
Ruben Zepuntke would deserve a proper upgrade, I think. He is overperforming in Tour of Alberta, really, and he has been very strong in USAPCC and other races as well. I just wanna give some rough stats as I'm not very sure myself. Climbing among the strongest in USAPCC and sprinting so well in Alberta makes a rider kinda hard to evaluate:
MO: 67-70
HI: 69-72
SP: 68-70
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 07-09-2014 16:58
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Valverde 80 in Mountain again!!! |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 07-09-2014 19:09
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AiZaK wrote:
Valverde 80 in Mountain again!!!
+1, but with lower backup stats.
Another thing, Vangenechten +1 ACC and Ruffoni +1 SP & ACC, he was amazing at Pouitou and in the first stage of T.O.B. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 08-09-2014 00:31
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Luis Angel Maté has 71 in Mountains, Actually he is better climber than some years ago, I think he can be 72 or 73 |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 03:42
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I still don't expect anything without the Vuelta finished, but I think if results hold, Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT and his position in the GC as well as climbs.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 08-09-2014 17:28
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Contador 83
Froome 82
Quintana 82
Nibali 81
J. Rodriguez 80 (Hills 82)
Valverde 80
Aru 79
Uran 79 (He is ill)
Nieve 77/78
Dan Martin 78
Samu 77
Gesink 77
Edited by AiZaK on 08-09-2014 17:58
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 17:36
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baseballlover312 wrote:
I still don't expect anything without the Vuelta finished, but I think if results hold, Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT and his position in the GC as well as climbs.
What does he have in TT? Either way, he was almost 3 minutes down on Tony Martin on a semi hilly TT. The only GC-rider finishing under Martin was Barguil, half a minute down. And Barguil is kinda horrendous on TT's.
- 11 Nieve
+29 Navarro
+43 Caruso
+43 Aru
+47 Gesink
+ 59 Rodriguez
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 08-09-2014 17:39
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I don't think we should draw too many conclusions from this Vuelta. Froome and Contador both crashed out of the Tour and didn't have an ideal preparation. The fact that Contador managed to reach a better form than Froome doesn't mean he's the better climber. In my opinion, they should be equal. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 18:34
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83: Froome and Contador
82: Nibali and Quintana
80: Valverde, RodrÃguez, Aru, Urán, Pinot, Peraud
79: TVG, Majka, Bardet, Porte, Kreuziger, Rolland, Horner
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| Anderis |
Posted on 08-09-2014 18:51
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Dan Martin definetely deserves upgrade on REC (if he is still on 70) unless he has a big crisis somewhere in the following days.
Also Nathan Brown could use more MO and REC. He is getting better each day and can stay quite long with the main group on the climbs. 51st today and 52nd two days ago. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 19:18
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Anderis wrote:
Dan Martin definetely deserves upgrade on REC (if he is still on 70) unless he has a big crisis somewhere in the following days.
Also Nathan Brown could use more MO and REC. He is getting better each day and can stay quite long with the main group on the climbs. 51st today and 52nd two days ago.
He def deserves more than that, no contest. But because Dan is doing well doesn't mean you have to upgrade all his stats, fx. his TT. I wonder how that would have went if it was completely flat. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 21:54
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Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I still don't expect anything without the Vuelta finished, but I think if results hold, Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT and his position in the GC as well as climbs.
What does he have in TT? Either way, he was almost 3 minutes down on Tony Martin on a semi hilly TT. The only GC-rider finishing under Martin was Barguil, half a minute down. And Barguil is kinda horrendous on TT's.
- 11 Nieve
+29 Navarro
+43 Caruso
+43 Aru
+47 Gesink
+ 59 Rodriguez
+1.03 Anacona
+ 1.48 Valverde
I know he is bad on TT. I said that. Is this a language problem? Because I literally said his TT was very bad, and taking that into account, he needs more in mtn, recovery to achieve a result like 6th in this field.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 08-09-2014 21:57
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 22:01
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I still don't expect anything without the Vuelta finished, but I think if results hold, Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT and his position in the GC as well as climbs.
What does he have in TT? Either way, he was almost 3 minutes down on Tony Martin on a semi hilly TT. The only GC-rider finishing under Martin was Barguil, half a minute down. And Barguil is kinda horrendous on TT's.
- 11 Nieve
+29 Navarro
+43 Caruso
+43 Aru
+47 Gesink
+ 59 Rodriguez
+1.03 Anacona
+ 1.48 Valverde
I know he is bad on TT. I said that. Is this a language problem? Because I literally said his TT was very bad, and taking that into account, he needs more in mtn, recovery to achieve a result like 6th in this field.
I interpreted it as his TT skill in PCM was very low and thus needed to be upgraded. And no, you didn't literally said that, lol. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 22:02
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Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I still don't expect anything without the Vuelta finished, but I think if results hold, Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT and his position in the GC as well as climbs.
What does he have in TT? Either way, he was almost 3 minutes down on Tony Martin on a semi hilly TT. The only GC-rider finishing under Martin was Barguil, half a minute down. And Barguil is kinda horrendous on TT's.
- 11 Nieve
+29 Navarro
+43 Caruso
+43 Aru
+47 Gesink
+ 59 Rodriguez
+1.03 Anacona
+ 1.48 Valverde
I know he is bad on TT. I said that. Is this a language problem? Because I literally said his TT was very bad, and taking that into account, he needs more in mtn, recovery to achieve a result like 6th in this field.
I interpreted it as his TT skill in PCM was very low and thus needed to be upgraded. And no, you didn't literally said that, lol.
Yes I did. But ok.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 22:09
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I still don't expect anything without the Vuelta finished, but I think if results hold, Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT and his position in the GC as well as climbs.
What does he have in TT? Either way, he was almost 3 minutes down on Tony Martin on a semi hilly TT. The only GC-rider finishing under Martin was Barguil, half a minute down. And Barguil is kinda horrendous on TT's.
- 11 Nieve
+29 Navarro
+43 Caruso
+43 Aru
+47 Gesink
+ 59 Rodriguez
+1.03 Anacona
+ 1.48 Valverde
I know he is bad on TT. I said that. Is this a language problem? Because I literally said his TT was very bad, and taking that into account, he needs more in mtn, recovery to achieve a result like 6th in this field.
I interpreted it as his TT skill in PCM was very low and thus needed to be upgraded. And no, you didn't literally said that, lol.
Yes I did. But ok.
Damn, is it because of my comment regarding some people solely commenting on their favourite rider/team you are being like this?
Anyways, this was what you said: "Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT". As I said before, I understood it as he had a low TT-stat in the game and that needed to be reevaluated. My bad then. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 22:11
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Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I still don't expect anything without the Vuelta finished, but I think if results hold, Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT and his position in the GC as well as climbs.
What does he have in TT? Either way, he was almost 3 minutes down on Tony Martin on a semi hilly TT. The only GC-rider finishing under Martin was Barguil, half a minute down. And Barguil is kinda horrendous on TT's.
- 11 Nieve
+29 Navarro
+43 Caruso
+43 Aru
+47 Gesink
+ 59 Rodriguez
+1.03 Anacona
+ 1.48 Valverde
I know he is bad on TT. I said that. Is this a language problem? Because I literally said his TT was very bad, and taking that into account, he needs more in mtn, recovery to achieve a result like 6th in this field.
I interpreted it as his TT skill in PCM was very low and thus needed to be upgraded. And no, you didn't literally said that, lol.
Yes I did. But ok.
Damn, is it because of my comment regarding some people solely commenting on their favourite rider/team you are being like this?
Anyways, this was what you said: " Dan martin's stats will need to be reevaluated when considering his very low TT". As I said before, I understood it as he had a low TT-stat in the game and that needed to be reevaluated. My bad then.
Because you have to read context with everything else I said in that post. But I don't care, it's fine.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-09-2014 22:15
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It must be the reason why you are bitching over it tho. |
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