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| krisa |
Posted on 11-06-2013 06:42
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
No Tour for Cance, that is a surprise. But as there is no prologue, it is understanable. Martin has now only Froome as the real opponent for TT. Malori is also in a good shape. I really hope he can beat Martin
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-06-2013 06:45
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Yeah, Malori is great too, but i think Martin is another level, like Cance in the past...
Martin, Malori, Froome, Dennis, Castroviejo, TVG and Velits should all do great in a TT.
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 11-06-2013 09:19
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Reports that Pierre Rolland has been forced to hand back his racing licence for 8 days. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 11-06-2013 09:26
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Hope he'll start in the Tour all right. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 09:29
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He won't miss any races, unless he was planning on doing Route du Sud
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 11-06-2013 10:21
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What's the deal with Rolland? I feel like I missed something. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 10:23
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
What's the deal with Rolland? I feel like I missed something.
Whole Europcar team controlled Sunday morning by MPCC doctor. Rolland had corticoids in his blood but the use of corticoids is prohibited from 8 days before a race. So MPCC rules prohibited him from starting but he did. Gave up about an half hour after the start.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-06-2013 11:29
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Rather interesting new study, 'Not Normal', concluding that Cadel Evans is likely to be the only clean winner of the Tour de France in the past 20 editions of the Tour de France.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/new-stud...6661457505
On cols (mountain passes), with little wind, no drafting, and established grades: those are the ideal conditions to calculate the muscle power of each rider according to his build and to install "radars" which we use to measure their power. This power, generated in watts, is the most reliable indicator of presumed doping.
We placed our radars at the following thresholds: "Suspicious" at 410 watts standard, "Miraculous" at 430 watts, and "Mutant" at 450 watts.
Of Armstrong's seven TDF wins, three averaged "miraculous" and three "suspicious" power outputs; with occasional "mutant" stage rides as well.
(Evans) hovered more around 420 watts, and often between 390 and 410 watts, which for us indicates that he did not dope.
Full study here for the price of 10 $ (greedy, considering the fact that the study itself was funded by Change Cycling Now...): https://www.joomag.com/magazine/altern...1370594539
Edited by CrueTrue on 11-06-2013 11:30
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-06-2013 11:34
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He wasn't found with corticoids in his blood. He was found with a very low level of cortisol (a hormone).
Cortisol is used by the body for the immune system, anti-inflammatory stuff, etc.
A low level means either the person is very stressed, either he/she is excessively tired, either he's taken cortisone.
Health is normally, at least officially, the biggest concern for riders when they have a low cortisol level.
Apparently Rolland would have taken cortisone for an Achilles tendinitis.
The test is considered valid when performed at least 30 minutes after the rider has woken up, which wouldn't be case in Rolland's case.
There's a foe between Bernaudeau and the MPCC doctor, about whether, given the 30 minutes weren't respected, Rolland could race or not. He started the race and abandoned after 20 km. Bernaudeau says the doctor allowed Rolland to race, whereas the doctor doesn't deny but calls this a swindle or something (he seems angry but speaks very ambiguously). |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 11-06-2013 11:38
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CrueTrue wrote:
Rather interesting new study, 'Not Normal', concluding that Cadel Evans is likely to be the only clean winner of the Tour de France in the past 20 editions of the Tour de France.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/new-stud...6661457505
On cols (mountain passes), with little wind, no drafting, and established grades: those are the ideal conditions to calculate the muscle power of each rider according to his build and to install "radars" which we use to measure their power. This power, generated in watts, is the most reliable indicator of presumed doping.
We placed our radars at the following thresholds: "Suspicious" at 410 watts standard, "Miraculous" at 430 watts, and "Mutant" at 450 watts.
Of Armstrong's seven TDF wins, three averaged "miraculous" and three "suspicious" power outputs; with occasional "mutant" stage rides as well.
(Evans) hovered more around 420 watts, and often between 390 and 410 watts, which for us indicates that he did not dope.
Full study here for the price of 10 $ (greedy, considering the fact that the study itself was funded by Change Cycling Now...): https://www.joomag.com/magazine/altern...1370594539
Well, I don't know if Evans is clean, but I used to watch him as the max of what could normally be achieved by clean riders. Quite a good indicator of the level of doping in the field. If he could fight for the win it was a good sign, if for that level of performance he was nowhere near the front, it was the 90's all over again.
That study has been conducted by the same guys who published on cyclismag back in the days.
I might order the book in July or so (when I'll be less short on money...). |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:31
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Lol at the article. 410 is supsicious.
Cadel is normally at 420. which means apparently his clean. Maybe its just me, but that doesn't make much logical sense.
Also not really trusting it on the whole, you need to pay to see the results thing. Seems like, make random table, release sensational story, sit back and profit tactic.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:35
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BritPCMFan wrote:
Lol at the article. 410 is supsicious.
Cadel is normally at 420. which means apparently his clean. Maybe its just me, but that doesn't make much logical sense.
Also not really trusting it on the whole, you need to pay to see the results thing. Seems like, make random table, release sensational story, sit back and profit tactic.
Exactly.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:51
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I think the whole Watt thing is kinda misleading. I mean if someone could do ridiculous Watt numbers it's an indicator of doping. But if i would go on the full program, i would certainly still suck against pros. So my numbers would be considered clean, but i am not. So Evans maybe is a mediocre rider, who doesn't manage to do better even if he is doped up to the gills. (not that i am believing that, i don't know whether he is clean or not) |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:54
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ppanther wrote:
I think the whole Watt thing is kinda misleading. I mean if someone could do ridiculous Watt numbers it's an indicator of doping. But if i would go on the full program, i would certainly still suck against pros. So my numbers would be considered clean, but i am not. So Evans maybe is a mediocre rider, who doesn't manage to do better even if he is doped up to the gills. (not that i am believing that, i don't know whether he is clean or not)
True, but when you see someone pulling more than 420W regulary, it is clear how "clean" he is...and for this the watts are good indicator i believe.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:54
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Evans' victory is clearly the lowest since 1993. 1999 and 2006 don't count as usual dopers didn't dope due to Festina and Puerto
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:55
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Anything not published in an academic or similar Journal that has been vetted and passed by a group of peers i tend to not trust fully. Plus this offers up nothing new especially as the borders are self generated and seem arbitrary. They might as well have set the boundaries at 200 watts for mutant and it would be just as credible
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| ppanther |
Posted on 11-06-2013 12:56
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
True, but when you see someone pulling more than 420W regulary, it is clear how "clean" he is...and for this the watts are good indicator i believe.
Exactly, but if someone stays under certain Watt numbers it doesn't mean he is not doped. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 11-06-2013 13:01
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Looking at the graph, why did Ullrich not manage to beat Armstrong at least once? He did higher numbers 1997/1998 than Armstrong at his wins. When was the hematocrit limit introduced? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 13:04
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ppanther wrote:
Looking at the graph, why did Ullrich not manage to beat Armstrong at least once? He did higher numbers 1997/1998 than Armstrong at his wins. When was the hematocrit limit introduced?
1997
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| ppanther |
Posted on 11-06-2013 13:08
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Spilak23 wrote:
ppanther wrote:
Looking at the graph, why did Ullrich not manage to beat Armstrong at least once? He did higher numbers 1997/1998 than Armstrong at his wins. When was the hematocrit limit introduced?
1997
He still finished 2nd 1998, i assume he had similar numbers as Pantani. |
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