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| Strydz |
Posted on 19-09-2012 16:39
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Bosskardo wrote:
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duh, obviously you can't have a more passive race than last years Women Road Race 
I really hope they never do that again. It was an embarrassment, specially as they were just arguing about their wages and prize money.
Now, don't hate me but women don't deserve the same prizes as men do. They should get more but definetly not equal because they are too passive even thou their distance is much shorter.
I can not see any reason why they should get less, equality my friend is the way it should be.
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 19-09-2012 16:51
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Strydz wrote:
I can not see any reason why they should get less, equality my friend is the way it should be.
Equality is a nice ideal but it doesn't work in reality. The truth is that women cycling just isn't as interesting and its not all up to their physical strength.
I remember that US tried to give women an equal chance to do sports and managed to make a system that was really unfair for men.
Sport is entertainment after all. If you subsides women then why not get all athletes the same wage level regardless of how many people follow their sport or how many companies want to sponsor them.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 19-09-2012 16:52
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So close for Phinney! And a great medal result for Kiryienka too.  This one had some weird results, Gruzdev and Barta in the top-10...  And Larsson's really over. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 19-09-2012 16:57
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Bosskardo wrote:
Strydz wrote:
I can not see any reason why they should get less, equality my friend is the way it should be.
Equality is a nice ideal but it doesn't work in reality. The truth is that women cycling just isn't as interesting and its not all up to their physical strength.
I remember that US tried to give women an equal chance to do sports and managed to make a system that was really unfair for men.
Sport is entertainment after all. If you subsides women then why not get all athletes the same wage level regardless of how many people follow their sport or how many companies want to sponsor them.
I understand your point but do not agree, it has to start somewhere and womens cycling has come along way and will only get better. I believe they should be paid the same, I also think most sports have prize money and wages that are to high. We invest far to much money into top level sports so if we are going to waste the money then why not pay them the same.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-09-2012 17:41
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WTF Contador?
Guido Mukk wrote:
Martin is half dead..
doddy13 wrote:
Phinney looks gutted. He gave that everything.
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| fickman |
Posted on 19-09-2012 21:53
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Contadope WTF,
First he said it was an easy route and then he get passed by Tony Martin  What a big Mouth. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 19-09-2012 21:58
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fickman wrote:
Contadope WTF,
First he said it was an easy route and then he get passed by Tony Martin What a big Mouth.
He never said that it was a positive thing though. An even harder route would've suited him far better, while Martin and Phinney would've struggled more.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-09-2012 22:00
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Strydz wrote:
I believe they should be paid the same, I also think most sports have prize money and wages that are to high. We invest far to much money into top level sports so if we are going to waste the money then why not pay them the same.
1) Yes pay them the same, when the races are the same length, other wise its the men who are disadvantaged
2) Yes there is far too much money in sport anyway, but we keep watching and supporting...
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| kumazan |
Posted on 19-09-2012 22:26
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Strydz wrote:
I believe they should be paid the same, I also think most sports have prize money and wages that are to high. We invest far to much money into top level sports so if we are going to waste the money then why not pay them the same.
1) Yes pay them the same, when the races are the same length, other wise its the men who are disadvantaged
That doesn't make any sense. Pay them the same when they generate as much interest as the men.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 19-09-2012 22:49
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fickman wrote:
Contadope WTF,
First he said it was an easy route and then he get passed by Tony Martin What a big Mouth.
Like Peli said he meant it was too flat for him. No that he'll cruise it.. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-09-2012 22:52
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kumazan wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Strydz wrote:
I believe they should be paid the same, I also think most sports have prize money and wages that are to high. We invest far to much money into top level sports so if we are going to waste the money then why not pay them the same.
1) Yes pay them the same, when the races are the same length, other wise its the men who are disadvantaged
That doesn't make any sense. Pay them the same when they generate as much interest as the men.
Exactly. Who gives a crap how long the route is.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 19-09-2012 22:54
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My gut told me to go Phinney. My gut almost had it. 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-09-2012 22:57
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There are two ways to look at this, depending on how you look at sports:
Either it is entertainment, or it is a business.
If it's entertainment, when comparing the respective interest that women's racing vs men's racing generates among the public we find that women are, if anything, overpaid (or men are underpaid) as entertainers.
If we look at it as a business, then what matters to how much they earn is how much notoriety they can gain their sponsors. In which case things are about right as they are currently.
The only way to make a case for the women getting bigger prizes is to disregard logic and be emotional.
Edited by issoisso on 19-09-2012 22:58
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-09-2012 23:18
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I was looking at it in terms of Equality
issoisso, u make some good points that are hard to argue
All professional sport is both entertainment and a business.
It is there to entertain the public, and as a result it becomes a business to make it entertaining and to show off sponsors.
Womens cycling may be entertaining, but without public interest it will not gain the same business interest. As a result no money goes in, and the sport doesnt grow. It becomes a cycle.
Opposite with mens. Lots of interest, lots of money. Lots of money, lots of entertainment, lots of interest etc.
Same can apply to all sports at an national level.
and to keep on subject of the worlds, sort of
I know the UCI set minimum distances for the Worlds, and that the IOC set a minimum distance for the Olympics.
Firstly why are they so different between men and women?
Secondly, is there a maximum distance?
just trying to understand why the races are so different...
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| greatmikey |
Posted on 19-09-2012 23:58
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alex dowsett done well for Great Britain getting in the top 10 |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 00:06
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A brave effort considering he was Britain's only entrant  |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 20-09-2012 01:25
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issoisso wrote:
There are two ways to look at this, depending on how you look at sports:
Either it is entertainment, or it is a business.
If it's entertainment, when comparing the respective interest that women's racing vs men's racing generates among the public we find that women are, if anything, overpaid (or men are underpaid) as entertainers.
If we look at it as a business, then what matters to how much they earn is how much notoriety they can gain their sponsors. In which case things are about right as they are currently.
The only way to make a case for the women getting bigger prizes is to disregard logic and be emotional.
This isn't entirely true, because the lack of money present in the women's side of the sport makes it less likely for athletic women to a real try to going pro in the sport, as well as hurting infrastructure, which hurts the product. It makes it harder for race organizers to get permission to hold events in high traffic areas for spectators, which is shame because women's racing, with significantly more crits and circuit racing, is probably better oriented to that anyway, and it makes it harder to get TV coverage of racing. It's probably true that with more money as seed, they'd be more likely to generate publicity for sponsors.
And by the way, because I rarely, rarely get to correct you on your English isso, notoriety has an extremely negative connotation. What it means is the opposite of what you meant, which is positive publicity, not negative.
Look, women's cycling will never hold a candle to men's cycling. Like with Basketball, there's just too much of a difference in the ability of men and women when it comes to bike racing. Women's racing is impressive, but they'll never be able to handle the high mountains, nor will they be able to do races of the length necessary to make cobbles and Ardennes' style routes worthwhile. That said, I do really enjoy watching it, and always find myself regretting not popping up cyclingfans when I've got nothing better to do and there is a prominent women's race on, and sitting down and watching. It's still racing, and it's still quality racing. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 20-09-2012 01:32
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Bosskardo wrote:
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duh, obviously you can't have a more passive race than last years Women Road Race
I really hope they never do that again. It was an embarrassment, specially as they were just arguing about their wages and prize money.
Now, don't hate me but women don't deserve the same prizes as men do. They should get more but definetly not equal because they are too passive even thou their distance is much shorter.
What the fuck are you on about? The course last year was terrible with not even a shred of excitement in any of the races. The riders can only do so much with what they had.
You want results in women's cycling? Give them a minimum wage and the same prize money and that will start to attract more women to the sport and it will be far more sustainable because of the influx of new riders. Not to mention the need to televise it.
As for the distance, most of them would gladly rode further if that's what they need to do to earn this.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 20-09-2012 01:39
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I posted this a while ago on the subject of how to 'fix' women's cycling:
If you want better women's cycling, here are three things you need to do:
Minimum Wage - How is this not already in existence legally? If you have a minimum wage, it means that younger women can take up the sport knowing that there is a logical progression to the top professional ranks without having to be a cycling prodigy. It also means that those who might be naturally talented but not have enough independent wealth to be able to work their way up to the top without a wage, now have a way into the sport. This would ensure the long-term sustainability of women's cycling.
More Air Time - The sport is entirely run on corprorate sponsorship and because of this the corporations want advertising time (ie - televised races) in order to ensure a return on their investment. If the spoort is aired then attracting sponsors will be far easier and in turn the sport will have more money in it. That creates more competition and the whole thing rolls along nicely at all levels, just like men's cycling.
Revenue Sharing - After ensuring more media attention, give th eteams a portion of the television revenue. This ensures their long-term sustainability and in turn makes sponsorship much easier to attain.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-09-2012 03:07
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https://www.cyclin...road-races
Changes to the NZ senior and under 23 mens teams for the road race
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
Don Rd Launching Place
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Colby Drive Belgrave South
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