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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 05:45
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issoisso wrote:
Pffft. No Steele Von Hoff? 
Lance's doesn't count since his birthname is actually Lance Gunderson
Really? Or is that just his middle name? If not, where'd Armstrong come from?
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 07:07
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Lance's biological father, with the last name Gunderson, left the family when Lance was a kid. A few years later, his mother married another man, named Terry Keith Armstrong. He then adopted Lance.
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| solano |
Posted on 02-09-2012 09:53
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I can beat it.
I used to work in public housing, and on the waiting list was a guy called Lance Challenger.  |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 12:38
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Just a question: Tyler Hamilton said that Armstrong gave EPO to his TDF squad every year right? If he did then, a guy like George Hincapie never got caught... They aren't chasing him are they? I just don't understand that xD |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 12:40
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Schleck96 wrote:
Just a question: Tyler Hamilton said that Armstrong gave EPO to his TDF squad every year right? If he did then, a guy like George Hincapie never got caught... They aren't chasing him are they? I just don't understand that xD
Isso explained that on the previous page. This wasn't an Armstrong investigation at the start. It was about US Postal / Discovery / Radioshack.
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Actually, the investigation isn't about Armstrong. That's just what the media makes it look like.
The investigation is about dismantling the doping conspiracy on the Postal/Discovery/Radioshack team. 11 riders were offered immunity in exchange for their testimony. 10 of them accepted. Armstrong was the only one who refused, and as such is being charged along with the rest of the doping ring.
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| dienblad |
Posted on 02-09-2012 12:42
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Schleck96 wrote:
Just a question: Tyler Hamilton said that Armstrong gave EPO to his TDF squad every year right? If he did then, a guy like George Hincapie never got caught... They aren't chasing him are they? I just don't understand that xD
I believe Big George is one of those guys that confessed in return for immunity of lower punishment. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 02-09-2012 12:42
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Schleck96 wrote:
Just a question: Tyler Hamilton said that Armstrong gave EPO to his TDF squad every year right? If he did then, a guy like George Hincapie never got caught... They aren't chasing him are they? I just don't understand that xD
Hincapie has retired so had nothing to lose by coming to the commission. They probably offered him better terms for testifying than he would get otherwise. But at the end of the day yes, they went after him.
That and see what Pelli/isso said.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-09-2012 22:25
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According to french TV, part of the evidence is that USADA took a bunch of Armstrong's samples from back when there was no EPO test and later years when there was only a very crappy preliminar EPO test, and had them retested with current much more advanced methods.
Result: a ton of positives
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-09-2012 22:31
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That's it then.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-09-2012 06:05
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issoisso wrote:
According to french TV, part of the evidence is that USADA took a bunch of Armstrong's samples from back when there was no EPO test and later years when there was only a very crappy preliminar EPO test, and had them retested with current much more advanced methods.
Result: a ton of positives
I hope this will be officialy published at some point, to shut the mouths of blind worshipers (if this is even possible somehow, when they will loose their "never tested positive" mantra).
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 03-09-2012 06:35
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I wouldn't count on that the fanboys will shut up because of that. They'll probably just continue accusing USADA for witchhunting, claim that the new tests are made up or something else ridiculous. They'll never believe he wasn't clean.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-09-2012 06:39
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True, the jealous people made the negative tests appear as the positive ones with their treacherous poisons. I see it coming.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-09-2012 07:10
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
issoisso wrote:
According to french TV, part of the evidence is that USADA took a bunch of Armstrong's samples from back when there was no EPO test and later years when there was only a very crappy preliminar EPO test, and had them retested with current much more advanced methods.
Result: a ton of positives
I hope this will be officialy published at some point, to shut the mouths of blind worshipers (if this is even possible somehow, when they will loose their "never tested positive" mantra). It wasn't Lance samples. Or they were contaminated. But there's to be an explanation to it, because Lance never took EPO, or any PED.
That's the logic fanboys will apply, at least.
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| GreenEDGEFan |
Posted on 03-09-2012 12:01
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There is an absolute legend who is responding to all the fanboys on Lance's facebook account on his wall posts, take a look now.
GreenEDGE 100%
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| Jupi |
Posted on 03-09-2012 14:38
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https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/127...ified.aspx
According to the final paragraph of the article, USADA will send their finalized report to UCI later this month and they will release some of the evidence to the public as well. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 03-09-2012 14:56
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GreenEDGEFan wrote:
There is an absolute legend who is responding to all the fanboys on Lance's facebook account on his wall posts, take a look now.
May you help me out here? The only name I recognize is Michael Pye from one of the quadrillion "Your riders" stories.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 03-09-2012 15:49
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cio93 wrote:
GreenEDGEFan wrote:
There is an absolute legend who is responding to all the fanboys on Lance's facebook account on his wall posts, take a look now.
May you help me out here? The only name I recognize is Michael Pye from one of the quadrillion "Your riders" stories.
Legend is Australian slang for really good person. So it won't be someone you recognise, just a random person who is replying.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 03-09-2012 15:53
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CountArach wrote:
cio93 wrote:
GreenEDGEFan wrote:
There is an absolute legend who is responding to all the fanboys on Lance's facebook account on his wall posts, take a look now.
May you help me out here? The only name I recognize is Michael Pye from one of the quadrillion "Your riders" stories.
Legend is Australian slang for really good person. So it won't be someone you recognise, just a random person who is replying.
Hehe, searched for names like Indurain, Merckx, Hinault 
Still horribly annoying to read through all this BS argumentation being posted there 
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 04-09-2012 02:16
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Jupi wrote:
Prisons are full of people who have been convicted based on "hearsay" evidence, since most criminals don't get caught in the act. Sometimes it happens years later, yet nobody seems to have any problem with the way courts work. Why is the process suddenly wrong?
This isn't a criminal case, though - if it were then Armstrong would have the right to face his accusers and he sure as hell wouldn't be guilty until proven innocent, would he?
All I'm saying is that if Armstrong were caught on the road that's one thing... but if not, then the results should stand and not be reversed years down the road.
The way I see it, doping is modifying the rider... just the same way a bike gets modified to take advantage of new technologies. Some modifications are legal, some are not. Some give an unfair advantage. Do we penalize a rider years down the road because he used an illegal chainstay? No - it either gets caught on the road, or the results stand.
I guess all I'm really saying is that cheating is part of the game. It's just one of the risks riders take. It's always been there and it always will be. The more risk you take away, the less reward you end up with. |
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| Cordelier |
Posted on 04-09-2012 02:26
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Bookie wrote:
That's eloquently worded, but it basically means 'you can cheat'.
I don't agree. Cheating is wrong, making millions with cheating is criminal, continuously lying about it while playing the wronged hero is pathetic.
I'm sorry, I just don't see it as black-and-white as you do. Is cheating wrong? Sure it is... but only if you get caught. The risk of getting caught is just one of a thousand risks riders take, but without risk there is no reward. |
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