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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-03-2015 19:48
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The climb didn't seem too selective considering. Sad ending.
Horrible ride for Talansky. But I saw it coming after the crappy TT.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 12-03-2015 19:50
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 12-03-2015 19:57
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On the bright side, it was his first race this season, so it might not indicate anything apart from him simply not being in shape, allthough i read statements beforehand where he hoped to got on the podium |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 12-03-2015 23:26
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Smowz wrote:
Seemingly if a Movistar, Tinkoff, Astana or AG2R rider etc. wins it is no problem, but if it is a Sky rider on a climb then it is the biggest FU to all cycling fans.
Prolem isn't with Porte winning the stage, especially since everybody knew he was the favourite. The reason why I reacted with a wtf is the return of this 1-2 winning scheme, which I think many people came to loathe between 2011 and 2013 with Wiggins, Froome & Porte. When you win with one rider, cool. Win with two guys and it's lame and probably suspicious and overall just pretty unexciting racing-wise and maybe even a bad omen for the rest of the still very young season (Sky back at its 2012-13 best). When that name is Geraint Thomas then you are right to receive a wtf from all sides, especially when that guy launched an attack earlier and was then the only one able to follow Porte.
The fact that Thomas, Kwiatkowski and Gallopin are highly placed says it all about this climb - Angliru it ain't.
Kwiatek is world champion, recognized ardennes expert, stage racer specialist and came 11th at le Tour two years ago, it was clear that he'd be upfront today likely. Gallopin has been fully 24 seconds slower than Thomas.
Be that as it may, Porte is looking to correct the Tour Down Under mistake, he's certainly in some top shape already. I had expected more from Tejay and I had hoped to see more from Aru, but Kwiatek is probably the best bet to get some exciting stuff out of this race still. Until Col d'Aze that is. Maybe the downhill into Nice, Kwiatek can do some cool stuff.
Edited by Shonak on 12-03-2015 23:31
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| Shonak |
Posted on 12-03-2015 23:35
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Riis123 wrote:
Infortunios sin fin en #ParisNice: abandono de Intxausti, pinchazo de Ion, caÃda de Rubén - Movistar on twitter.
Solid ride by Gorka though. 
https://www.strav...267032074/
Kwiatek's ride on strava.
Edited by Shonak on 12-03-2015 23:56
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 13-03-2015 00:05
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I'm happy with my bet so far unbelievable
1st Richie Porte
2nd Geraint Thomas
3nd Michal Kwiatkowski |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 13-03-2015 09:43
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Shonak wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Infortunios sin fin en #ParisNice: abandono de Intxausti, pinchazo de Ion, caÃda de Rubén - Movistar on twitter.
Solid ride by Gorka though.
https://www.strav...267032074/
Kwiatek's ride on strava.
Interesting to see the ride on Strava - if I was totally fresh and with a bit of a benefit from drafting I think I could keep that pace for maybe 2-3 minutes of what was a 20 odd minute climb at the end of the stage for him 
A world apart (and some would say I'm running out of time) but it does put it in perspective and means I can imagine how quickly they are climbing and know what that would feel like for me. Good old Strava and Kwiatkowski for uploading all his rides. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 13-03-2015 10:15
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I'm expecting a breakaway win today. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 13-03-2015 10:55
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Shonak wrote:
When that name is Geraint Thomas then you are right to receive a wtf from all sides, especially when that guy launched an attack earlier and was then the only one able to follow Porte.
Kwiatek is world champion, recognized ardennes expert, stage racer specialist and came 11th at le Tour two years ago, it was clear that he'd be upfront today likely. Gallopin has been fully 24 seconds slower than Thomas.
Yeah I hear it Shonak, however I do think people are overreacting to the performance of Thomas though. The guy has been steadily improving his climbing for some time. Last year he finished 22nd in the Tour and rode well in the hilly Paris Nice. He isn't so good on the punchy climbs like Kwiatek - but I would say has a similar top ability to the brilliant Pole on grinding mountains like the one yesterday. In fact Thomas and Kwitek are similar on many levels - quick finishers, very good chrono's and all round strong riders.
Thomas certainly is not some random guy who because he is riding for sky is only up there because he is taking a 'bucket load of dope' compared to everyone else who is 'squeaky clean'.
Of course finishing 1 - 2 like that is a bit boring. We prefer to see a competition a-la Conta-Froome or say here it would have been interesting to see a top Aru-TvG-Porte-Peraud battle. But clearly Sky are at the top of their game and the leaders at Astana/BMC/AG2r are not.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 13-03-2015 10:58
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Smowz wrote:
Seemingly if a Movistar, Tinkoff, Astana or AG2R rider etc. wins it is no problem, but if it is a Sky rider on a climb then it is the biggest FU to all cycling fans.
AG2R hypocrisy - sure, that happens here. Some people are still living in the past in terms of the whole French racing at two speeds problem. We are clearly beyond that.
The other three - no way in hell mate, you should know better.
Everyone knows Movistar's history and no one expects any different from them. I sometimes think that some people like them solely because they can stand up to Sky with their own doping program. Tinkoff is a Riis team and lead by Contador so once again no one expects otherwise. Astana is so bloody obviously doping and has such a long history of it and is run by Vino. With all three of these teams no one expects any better. Not only that but none of the teams are so openly making a point of talking about how clean they are. It doesn't make what they do right, but it certainly means they aren't being as hypocritical.
I would also add in one other thing - none of them are the darlings of the English-language media. We constantly have Sky being hailed as racing in a different way, with so many English fans blindly following the media narrative. Sky feed into this themselves. I am so bloody sick of it. We have to go that extra mile to point out these huge problems because the media are not only not point them out, they are hailing them as a success for a 'new type' of cycling.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 13-03-2015 11:02
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Oh and Thomas being good at this time of year shouldn't be a huge surprise. I mean this is *particularly* good but remember that if he is targeting classics this year he should already have more form than a lot of other guys here.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-03-2015 11:10
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Im not here to defend Movistar, but obviously you'll have incidents in a span of 20-30 (?) years in the sport. And everybody and their mom knows Valverde for sure isnt doping, come on now!
I agree with most of your points though, allthough I still feel like the peloton has gotten a lot more clean. I dont buy the 90% from the report and I dont want to sit here and make all the riders on suspect team villains as its pretty clear we are nowhere near the standards from 20 and even 10 years ago |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 13-03-2015 12:16
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Riis123 wrote:
Im not here to defend Movistar, but obviously you'll have incidents in a span of 20-30 (?) years in the sport. And everybody and their mom knows Valverde for sure isnt doping, come on now!
I agree with most of your points though, allthough I still feel like the peloton has gotten a lot more clean. I dont buy the 90% from the report and I dont want to sit here and make all the riders on suspect team villains as its pretty clear we are nowhere near the standards from 20 and even 10 years ago
What do you mean by a lot more clean? As a percentage of the peloton or they are taking less? In my eyes there is nothing to suggest that as a percentage the peloton is cleaner than it was but I do think they aren't going at it as hard. the 90% quoted rings true to me
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| Strydz |
Posted on 13-03-2015 12:20
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baseballlover312 wrote:
The climb didn't seem too selective considering. Sad ending.
Horrible ride for Talansky. But I saw it coming after the crappy TT.
He also had that mechanical just before the climb so had to work to get back into the peloton, he obviously isn't in top shape yet but without the puncture he might of hung on longer.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-03-2015 13:13
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Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Im not here to defend Movistar, but obviously you'll have incidents in a span of 20-30 (?) years in the sport. And everybody and their mom knows Valverde for sure isnt doping, come on now!
I agree with most of your points though, allthough I still feel like the peloton has gotten a lot more clean. I dont buy the 90% from the report and I dont want to sit here and make all the riders on suspect team villains as its pretty clear we are nowhere near the standards from 20 and even 10 years ago
What do you mean by a lot more clean? As a percentage of the peloton or they are taking less? In my eyes there is nothing to suggest that as a percentage the peloton is cleaner than it was but I do think they aren't going at it as hard. the 90% quoted rings true to me
Both, really. Obviously some still dope (and I have no clue about how many percentage wise, but still, im 100% its less than when you basically were forced to do it), but the amount of what they are taking is clearly less than before. Everything suggest that, especially the climbing times on pretty much every major climb. It has gone down significantly since 90's and early 00's. Alpe d' Huez fx. gives a good example of that |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 13-03-2015 13:17
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Riis123 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Im not here to defend Movistar, but obviously you'll have incidents in a span of 20-30 (?) years in the sport. And everybody and their mom knows Valverde for sure isnt doping, come on now!
I agree with most of your points though, allthough I still feel like the peloton has gotten a lot more clean. I dont buy the 90% from the report and I dont want to sit here and make all the riders on suspect team villains as its pretty clear we are nowhere near the standards from 20 and even 10 years ago
What do you mean by a lot more clean? As a percentage of the peloton or they are taking less? In my eyes there is nothing to suggest that as a percentage the peloton is cleaner than it was but I do think they aren't going at it as hard. the 90% quoted rings true to me
Both, really. Obviously some still dope (and I have no clue about how many percentage wise, but still, im 100% its less than when you basically were forced to do it), but the amount of what they are taking is clearly less than before. Everything suggest that, especially the climbing times on pretty much every major climb. It has gone down significantly since 90's and early 00's. Alpe d' Huez fx. gives a good example of that
That's fair. It is obvious that they just are not as juiced as in the past but doping is doping is doping, it's either you are clean or you are not. It is frustrating that athletes are always looking to get the advantage no matter the cost.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 13-03-2015 13:44
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Here's some scientific speculation on the prevalence of doping in elite sports:
So the guestimate is somewhere between 14-39% for elite sport in general (possibly, maybe, perhaps)
I think it's fair to say that when it comes to cycling doping has been squeezed.
It's also interesting that one of the main potential ways to cheat, micro dosing late night and "glowing" only before the testing window re-opens, is also being looked at with potential random and targeted night time tests.
It would be another step in the right direction but with a good hike left to go (probably never ending is more accurate).
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-03-2015 14:25
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Holy fuck, De Gendt is a beast. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-03-2015 14:26
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De Gendt is back
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 13-03-2015 14:27
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Such a shame Silin is gonna win though |
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Posted on 13-03-2015 14:29
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DE GENDT RODE SILIN OFF HIS WHEEL WHAT THE FUCK |
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