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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 05-01-2024 17:07
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All-in on tomorrow then. Imagining we put Rubio in the break again though
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| ryant |
Posted on 05-01-2024 19:40
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What a load of rubbish, the end.
Well maybe not quite the end, my only thought is the short stages are the reason for the breaks success but as cio says it could just be a case of 3rd week success on a bullshit level.
Sympathies with bbl and Polar especially
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 05-01-2024 21:13
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Finally Bennett goes for it!
Was always going to be Bennett or Godoy there and I guess hunting the KoMs hurt GB's chances but still disappointed how well he was beaten. Going to 9th is decent, hope he's allowed to go again tomorrow but doubt it, so still expecting to lose the new KoM lead to Dombrowski and the Top 10 to whoever gets lucky on the hamster wheel of Top 20 guys getting into the breakaway.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| ember |
Posted on 05-01-2024 21:23
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Well defended by Amezawa, only loosing 30 seconds to the group of favourites, and 40 seconds to Dombrowski. Looking at the GC, a top 11 should be very doable, with the gap down to 12th being quite big. Fingers crossed he has another good day and another good defense.
Congratulations on the stage, SN! Definitely hoping for a GC showdown, making Dombrowski/Haig have a go at the final climbing stage. |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 06-01-2024 15:31
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Sorry to keep everyone waiting and then ruining your weekend (except for one person I guess).
Final stage coming on Monday probably.
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-01-2024 15:40
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Despite being one of the big Winners from this race, I must admit that I struggle to enjoy it.
It’s just absolutely retarded AI to throw the GC win out of the window by allowing a podium contender 8 minutes gain on the final mountainstage. Giannoutsos obviously shouldn’t be gifted 5th either, even if it drastically increases our chances of survival.
I’m really sorry for those who lost big here, obviously mainly Dombrowski and Haig. And I guess congrats to those (including myself) who gained a lot. Although I don’t really mean those congrats…
I really hope the next GT’s will prove better due to a more DB in line competition. This Giro had a horrible favorite list, and I Can only hope that this was the cause of the poor results. I do fear that it is not the case though.
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 06-01-2024 15:41
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Wtf..
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-01-2024 15:53
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Oh
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 06-01-2024 16:00
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I really don't know how to feel about that one. The report was a great read though Abhi, just weird that the AI would allow Shikai so much time on a stage like this.
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| ryant |
Posted on 06-01-2024 16:17
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Wow, completely broken
John St Ledger in Team Bunzl-Centrica and Team U25
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| seancoll |
Posted on 06-01-2024 16:56
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I'm gagged...
A very well written and interesting report so thank you Abhi for delivering the news although it must've felt weird.
Really only upset about the AI because it allowed this on a Stage 20. This happens on Stage 15 and I'd be cheering for the drama, but on 20 it doesn't feel right. The question for me is really how much the peloton tried to pace. If they eventually picked up the pace but Shikai was too strong, then complete win to him. If the peloton never truly caught on, that's the bigger problem.
This profile really does allow a strong breakaway rider to stay away. A domestique in the peloton will almost never pace as hard as a Top 5 GC threat (which Shikai was most of the tour) and there's just so many opportunities for recovery for the breakaway artists. Still a great sign of strength from Shikai, too who dominated his breakaway competitors.
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Posted on 06-12-2025 19:53
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| ember |
Posted on 06-01-2024 17:12
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Thank you for the report, Abhi! Sensational report and stage, arguably for all the wrong reasons  Though, that's definitely not on you, Abhi, as that was a very nervy/exciting read from start to finish. Thank you for the coverage!
For Amezawa, that was a bad stage. Fun to see him aggressive early, just a pity it was after the breakaway had formed. Then clearly the last couple of stages had taken its toll, as he seemed quite weak compared to his GC rivals. Tumbling all the way down to outside the top 10 is unfortunate, as a top 10 standing would have been the perfect end to a brilliant race for him, also claiming two stage wins in two very different ways.
Having said all that, I really feel for especially DD. To see a Giro overall win disappear like that, must be painful. |
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| knockout |
Posted on 06-01-2024 17:34
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Gotta collect my thoughts a bit longer to post a proper reply to this stage but i dont like it.
Thanks for the report.
A Big Thank You To All MG Reporters! |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 06-01-2024 17:42
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The question for me is really how much the peloton tried to pace. If they eventually picked up the pace but Shikai was too strong, then complete win to him. If the peloton never truly caught on, that's the bigger problem.
Well they did start chasing in the end mostly after Bennett attacked. The gap was 13 minutes at that point. It came down to less than 8 for Bennett and 11 minutes something for the pack. I guess lack of doms meant there was no one to really push for the leaders. Also stage length and profile played a role I think, which was the the case on the last two stages as well, definitely the length part for the latter l. Probably something to keep in mind for us when we build GTs in the future.
On a longer stage, I think Shikai gets pulled back or atleast the gap is managed like in the last two stages.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 06-01-2024 17:48
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My first instinct was: Damn, they must've sent domestiques that were too weak. But that's not true, doms were fine. I feel very sorry for those who lost out in this lottery.
However, I must congratulate both Polar and then of course AbhishekLFC for absolutely stellar coverage for the Giro. In terms of reporting, and also considering the preview, this was race of the season worthy.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 06-01-2024 18:09
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oof.
I know we don't rerun stages to maintain the integrity of the game, but there could conceivably be a discussion what to do when the AI itself threatens said integrity, which this comes dangerously close to.
A very scary day considering we are up next. 
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 06-01-2024 20:05
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I have no words, regarding the stage in general and our performance in it. Only glad to see Ahlstrand just making the time limit, even though his entire train is now on the flight home.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 06-01-2024 21:03
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Congrats to beagle, I know a lot of people are upset and it's probably got some guilt attached to it, but what a stunning ride and result for your team  And as others said, great coverage of a tough one to report Abhi. I had a much less extreme case in TDF 2018 when Taaramae attacked and Spilak refused to chase, but that was 2 and 1 separating not 11th overtaking them all, and I found that hard enough to do.
Obviously really happy with that result and performance by Bennett, if he was going to not chase the KoM or breakaway stage win (imagine the drama if a PCT rider did what Shikai did...) that's about as good a redemption as you can get. 4th in a GT is a really special result for us in his final season.
However, while I think some credit could be given to his ride being semi-realistic - overhauling some similar or worse climbers with worse REC with a great attack showing the initiative - it clearly was at least partly caught up in the AI shenanigans going on and so it comes with some guilt at taking those points from the teams that were actually going to score them.
Abhi said this and I think someone already raised the point a few days ago, apologies for not remembering who, but I'd agree that (since nobody reported PCM22 GTs being completely broken so I don't think it's GTs in general) it's the pretty much exclusively short mountain stages that might do it? Today happened to be the most extreme outcome but the hamster-wheel of the outside GC guys getting into breakaways then being too high up to get into the breakaways (except Giannoutsos who I guess had the luck of being allowed to with his stats?) wasn't great in my eyes.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 06-01-2024 21:06
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Well, that was a stage! Thank you Abhi for another outstanding report and I won't comment on the result given many others already have. A hell of a ride from Shikai either way.
Mas with a strong ride to move into 30th in the GC which is a solid turn around from being outside the Top 50 a week ago. He should be higher up but we'll take what we can get. Disappointing that we haven't been active in these breakaways but ah well!
1 more day!
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 06-01-2024 21:14
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This is dangerous.
After the initial shock I mostly feel sorrow for the game.
We're all here because we love immersion, planning, strategy, team building.
But modern PCM (combined with our current database) is turning the MG into a casino.
Long term that will make us lose interest one by one until the lights go out.
I don't think we should touch this result. Just let it stand.
We do need to urgently address the issue for future seasons though.
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Your reporting was great abhi. Thank you for that!
And congratulations beagle.
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