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Le Tour de France 2014 - Stage 16 - Carcassonne - Bagnères-De-Luchon
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:27
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jihardy wrote:
For the people calling Rogers a doper:
First of all his performances are not superhuman, he is not pacing for 100km and then attacking away, he stayed on the wheels and attacked at the right moment.
This man is a former world TT champion, this means he can use his power on the flats and downhill to either maintain or raise a gap.
How does it make a difference to any other double stage winner. At the 2013 giro Visconti got two stage wins, 2013 tour Costa with two wins, 2013 Vuelta Barguil with two wins.
So the people calling him a doper need to consider their choice.
Its just irrational hate against a rider, Iguwell has not been hiding that he hates Saxo-tinkoff and the other guy just hate rogers probably because he left Sky.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:30
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
König needs to be in WT team soon.
Surely somebody will snap him up now, he looks to be getting stronger as the race goes on and there are plenty of WT squads who need a solid GC rider
why he should leave he's team. They have new sponsor..few more riders in. And he has he's own GT team.
Why he should be Froome "bitch"
I agree with that but when $$$ gets offered it dictates where I rider goes, I personally like the squad he is in and would like to see him stay within the set-up and grow along with the new sponsors
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:30
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Nin1388 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
One fact..
Rogers is from T-Mobile and he is climber. So 90% that he was also doped like everyone on that team.
He was doped, not now.
Just look at Saxo this year:
Contador: 'nuff said
Rogers: 2 stage wins in the Giro incl. Zoncolan (ok he was helped by idiot spectator) but still...; and now win in TdF
Majka: suddenly flying in the TdF and holds off Nibbles after being in the break, having done good Giro GC
Not saying anything, just something which one could draw some conclusions from 
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:31
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Strydz wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
One fact..
Rogers is from T-Mobile and he is climber. So 90% that he was also doped like everyone on that team.
He was doped, not now.
Yeah? That is a big call
I'm just saying that to tell him, not to take away anything away from Roger's win.
We know Hesjedal admitted to doping in past and then won Giro in 2012. But we accept it. That was past, before 2007. And we do not say anything about that.
Past is gone, we know many riders did that. Now cycling is cleaner. Accept this or stop watching. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:33
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Hoping Peraud can get 3rd. At 37 this might be his only chance for podium. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:33
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Kwiatek leapfrogs Mollema in GC
Meanwhile Zubeldia 11th overall - I must have seen him about twice in the whole race? 
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:33
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Jacdk wrote:
jihardy wrote:
For the people calling Rogers a doper:
First of all his performances are not superhuman, he is not pacing for 100km and then attacking away, he stayed on the wheels and attacked at the right moment.
This man is a former world TT champion, this means he can use his power on the flats and downhill to either maintain or raise a gap.
How does it make a difference to any other double stage winner. At the 2013 giro Visconti got two stage wins, 2013 tour Costa with two wins, 2013 Vuelta Barguil with two wins.
So the people calling him a doper need to consider their choice.
Its just irrational hate against a rider, Iguwell has not been hiding that he hates Saxo-tinkoff and the other guy just hate rogers probably because he left Sky.
Rogers was acquitted and thats all that matters.
How is what I say about Rogers irrational hate? Unless your head is in the sand and can't look beyond the Clen case last year then there is nothing wrong with disliking this unrepentant, teflon coated doper.
Edited by Strydz on 22-07-2014 16:35
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| Dusen |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:34
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Stromeon wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
One fact..
Rogers is from T-Mobile and he is climber. So 90% that he was also doped like everyone on that team.
He was doped, not now.
Just look at Saxo this year:
Contador: 'nuff said
Rogers: 2 stage wins in the Giro incl. Zoncolan (ok he was helped by idiot spectator) but still...; and now win in TdF
Majka: suddenly flying in the TdF and holds off Nibbles after being in the break, having done good Giro GC
Not saying anything, just something which one could draw some conclusions from
Yeah. The fact that they even have victories this year like every other team seems highly suspisous.
Edited by Dusen on 22-07-2014 16:34
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:35
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from the top 10 last year, only one rider is going to be in the top 10 again
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:36
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Well Kwiatek will lose shitloads again tomorrow so doesnt really matter sadly.... hoped he could win a stage but it wasnt to be. Now TT only chance but Tony will crush that. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:38
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Stromeon wrote:
Kwiatek leapfrogs Mollema in GC
Meanwhile Zubeldia 11th overall - I must have seen him about twice in the whole race?
This is just what Zubeldia does in GT's over the last few seasons, you never notice him then he suddenly appears in or around the top 10 in the GC. Mr Anonymous
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:39
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Strydz wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
jihardy wrote:
For the people calling Rogers a doper:
First of all his performances are not superhuman, he is not pacing for 100km and then attacking away, he stayed on the wheels and attacked at the right moment.
This man is a former world TT champion, this means he can use his power on the flats and downhill to either maintain or raise a gap.
How does it make a difference to any other double stage winner. At the 2013 giro Visconti got two stage wins, 2013 tour Costa with two wins, 2013 Vuelta Barguil with two wins.
So the people calling him a doper need to consider their choice.
Its just irrational hate against a rider, Iguwell has not been hiding that he hates Saxo-tinkoff and the other guy just hate rogers probably because he left Sky.
Rogers was acquitted and thats all that matters.
How is what I say about Rogers irrational hate? Unless your head is in the sand and can't look beyond the Clen case last year then there is nothing wrong with disliking this unrepentant, teflon coated doper.
I get that you are butt-hurt over something but incase you don't know it, UCI isn't known for its being relaxed against "suspicious" values, so for them to acquit Rogers means there is nothing to come after.
And if anyone calls Rogers a climber they clearly have no idea what the hell they are talking about.
And as to his skills on the flat, well WTT champion in 03,04,05 speaks for itself.
Edited by Jacdk on 22-07-2014 16:43
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:39
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Dusen wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Nin1388 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
One fact..
Rogers is from T-Mobile and he is climber. So 90% that he was also doped like everyone on that team.
He was doped, not now.
Just look at Saxo this year:
Contador: 'nuff said
Rogers: 2 stage wins in the Giro incl. Zoncolan (ok he was helped by idiot spectator) but still...; and now win in TdF
Majka: suddenly flying in the TdF and holds off Nibbles after being in the break, having done good Giro GC
Not saying anything, just something which one could draw some conclusions from
Yeah. The fact that they even have victories this year like every other team seems highly suspisous.
You've missed the point by roughly the width of the Pyrenees there 
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:40
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Funny how we talked (I think it was Shonak) about Intxausti completely had disappeared, then he suddenly splits the field with Visconti. It was quite clear from the very bottom almost the Tejay wasnt feeling very well, so very wise move they did along with Francaise des Jeux who also are doing very well. So good to see Intxausti back.
Unfortunately Ion wasnt able to pull the big win out, its clear that he isnt that great on longer, steeper climbs. Its too much for him. But great move to pull him back and trying to stretch the gap to the bridged contenders. I do also have very much respect for Gadret who was exceptionally today along with Jeanneson, I didnt see that one coming. Pleasent surprise!
Unfortunately Bardet wasnt too good today, but neither was many others from the GC. Pinot was riding fckn superb, thumbs up, allthough I still hope Bardet will get the white jersey. Odds are against him. Still, I honestly wouldnt hesitate to pick Bardet over Pinot on the long run. He seems to have bigger upside as a GC-rider with his steady improvement from last year and his great season this year.
Mollema and Ten Dam did what I expected. Ten Dam is simply much better than Mollema atm. I didnt expect him to overtake him today, but oh well. The next 2 days will be pure survivement and he might very well slip out of the top10 in a relatively easy Tour contender-wise.
Great stage I think. Movistar has not been doing much for the 2 first weeks, but today they showed they are still one of the best team in the pelotons. Smart racing. |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:40
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Strydz wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Kwiatek leapfrogs Mollema in GC
Meanwhile Zubeldia 11th overall - I must have seen him about twice in the whole race?
This is just what Zubeldia does in GT's over the last few seasons, you never notice him then he suddenly appears in or around the top 10 in the GC. Mr Anonymous
kinda like Monfort, you never see him but his last four GT's he finished 15 (TdF 2012), 16 (Vuelta 2012), 14 (TdF 2013) and 14 (Giro, 2014)
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:41
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Crazy stage, massive action GC-wise, and: hell yeah IntXausti!
Great ride from him, finally showing his quality upfront there. Movistar in general real strong but Valverde lacking firepower in the end of the climb. Pinot, what a beast! Overall, great tactics by him. And Peraud clever ride here once again. Fight for podium lost one contender (Van Garderen) but actually more interesting.
Awful race for Bardet and Van Garderen. Lol at Kwiatek, he's 9th now in GC, yet couldn't even hold up with 2-tier riders. Boy needs to work on his mountain climbing ASAP. But ffs, 3 french in Top 5... craaazy.
Edited by Shonak on 22-07-2014 16:42
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| florian96 |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:43
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The stage today was really interesting, also when you look how many top 10 riders got problems today. This may show us that the cycling sport is really on a good way.
To the Rogers case I hope he also learned from the past and when you have seen his emotions at the end I hope he realised that it's also possible without "it".
The positive test from japan is also a bad thing. We all will never know if it was bad meat or a bad doping try. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-07-2014 16:45
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Jacdk wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
jihardy wrote:
For the people calling Rogers a doper:
First of all his performances are not superhuman, he is not pacing for 100km and then attacking away, he stayed on the wheels and attacked at the right moment.
This man is a former world TT champion, this means he can use his power on the flats and downhill to either maintain or raise a gap.
How does it make a difference to any other double stage winner. At the 2013 giro Visconti got two stage wins, 2013 tour Costa with two wins, 2013 Vuelta Barguil with two wins.
So the people calling him a doper need to consider their choice.
Its just irrational hate against a rider, Iguwell has not been hiding that he hates Saxo-tinkoff and the other guy just hate rogers probably because he left Sky.
Rogers was acquitted and thats all that matters.
How is what I say about Rogers irrational hate? Unless your head is in the sand and can't look beyond the Clen case last year then there is nothing wrong with disliking this unrepentant, teflon coated doper.
I get that you are butt-hurt over something but incase you don't know it, UCI isn't known for its being relaxed against "suspicious" values, so for them to acquit Rogers means there is nothing to come after.
It has nothing to do with the Clen case, it was actually (for a change) a semi-plausible excuse for it being in his system, he was cleared for that, sweet. it's all about his past when it is well documented that the UCI were very relaxed about suspicious values. Why would you enjoy watching unpunished cheats win? He is part of the problem along with a whole bunch of other riders who need to be shown the door.
Call me "butt-hurt" if you want but I just enjoy the beauty of cycling and don't get and will never get why people need to cheat, it's just sad and pathetic.
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Posted on 22-07-2014 16:49
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Riis123 wrote:
Funny how we talked (I think it was Shonak) about Intxausti completely had disappeared, then he suddenly splits the field with Visconti.
IntXauuusti!
Yup, strange coindince; maybe he saved himself for Pyrennees, which would be real smart, or just had a good day, regardless it's great to see basque fans on the sideline so that must have been quite some motivation for him. Looking forward to see more of him on next two stages, hopefully breakaway win. 
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Posted on 22-07-2014 16:55
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Does it matter if Rogers dopes or not? Don't know about Serpa but the rest is as bad as Rogers if you ask me.
Pozzato sucks!
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