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TdF'13 Stage 10: Saint-Gildas-des-Bois to Saint-Malo (July 9)
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:18
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krisa wrote:
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I think both were riding dangerously.
Cavendish steered left way too early and aggressively, but Veelers should've kept a straighter line. Sprint are always dangerous 
You're being asshole just too much in this point. It really,really looks like you hate Veelers. Not even enough that it is clearly Cav's fault, you're defending him like you're his mother or something like that. Shut the fuck up! It's his bad,he won't be taken out of race ,but it's his fault.
Although Veelers moved to right a bit (20cms) , that's not reason to get shoulder in stomach and get blown away, is it? C'mon man, you can't be that biased.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:18
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| Malkael |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:19
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The pictures are still missing the part where Cavendish swerves in to Veelers however. It is not like Veeler came across the road and in to Cavendish's line, and Cavendish then bumps him off his shoulder. By the time Cavendish actually swerves in to Veelers you can see on the replays that Veelers is holding a more consistent straight line.
It takes the actions of Cavendish to actually cause the crash in the end, despite anything Veelers may have done. |
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:20
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admirschleck wrote:
krisa wrote:
DubbelDekker wrote:
I think both were riding dangerously.
Cavendish steered left way too early and aggressively, but Veelers should've kept a straighter line. Sprint are always dangerous
You're being asshole just too much in this point. It really,really looks like you hate Veelers. Not even enough that it is clearly Cav's fault, you're defending him like you're his mother or something like that. Shut the fuck up! It's his bad,he won't be taken out of race ,but it's his fault.
Although Veelers moved to right a bit (20cms) , that's not reason to get shoulder in stomach and get blown away, is it? C'mon man, you can't be that biased.
Thing is, it wasn't clearly Cavs fault. I don't like Cav the slightest and I still defend him here because it was no more his fault then Veelers.
How hard can it be?
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| krisa |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:23
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Gulvplanke wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
krisa wrote:
DubbelDekker wrote:
I think both were riding dangerously.
Cavendish steered left way too early and aggressively, but Veelers should've kept a straighter line. Sprint are always dangerous
You're being asshole just too much in this point. It really,really looks like you hate Veelers. Not even enough that it is clearly Cav's fault, you're defending him like you're his mother or something like that. Shut the fuck up! It's his bad,he won't be taken out of race ,but it's his fault.
Although Veelers moved to right a bit (20cms) , that's not reason to get shoulder in stomach and get blown away, is it? C'mon man, you can't be that biased.
Thing is, it wasn't clearly Cavs fault. I don't like Cav the slightest and I still defend him here because it was no more his fault then Veelers. +1 I actually hate cav
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| Wilier |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:24
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BTW. Did anyone see Henderson trying to knock Degenkolb off his bike at the flamme rouge? I don't think he has the right to judge Cavendish here. |
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:26
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Gulvplanke wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
krisa wrote:
DubbelDekker wrote:
I think both were riding dangerously.
Cavendish steered left way too early and aggressively, but Veelers should've kept a straighter line. Sprint are always dangerous
You're being asshole just too much in this point. It really,really looks like you hate Veelers. Not even enough that it is clearly Cav's fault, you're defending him like you're his mother or something like that. Shut the fuck up! It's his bad,he won't be taken out of race ,but it's his fault.
Although Veelers moved to right a bit (20cms) , that's not reason to get shoulder in stomach and get blown away, is it? C'mon man, you can't be that biased.
Thing is, it wasn't clearly Cavs fault. I don't like Cav the slightest and I still defend him here because it was no more his fault then Veelers.
So if someone just turns left, when someone is driving there, it may happen? Well, that is weird.
Cav knew that he passed Veelers, and even if Veelers did not moved to the right, Cav would take him out with his action. That is so clear. That Veelers did actually slip a bit to the right, makes it unclear but it was clearly the fault of Cav.
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| Malkael |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:27
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Wilier wrote:
BTW. Did anyone see Henderson trying to knock Degenkolb off his bike at the flamme rouge? I don't think he has the right to judge Cavendish here.
I thought someone might have gone down then when the Lotto-Belisol and Argos-Shimano trains locked physical horns like that. Fortunately they did not, otherwise that could have been a lot worse then anything that followed later.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:27
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Spilak23 wrote:
Goss is not professional enough. A bit lazy plus a bit too much beer sometimes
Have heard a few rumblings about a lack of application but it's difficult to know for sure. Certainly he was a sprinter on the edge of the top tier 2 years ago plus he could climb better than anyone as quick. As Sagan has come through he's slipped away and can expect a greatly reduced contract whereever he lands. |
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:30
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Mwuhi wrote:
Gulvplanke wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
krisa wrote:
DubbelDekker wrote:
I think both were riding dangerously.
Cavendish steered left way too early and aggressively, but Veelers should've kept a straighter line. Sprint are always dangerous
You're being asshole just too much in this point. It really,really looks like you hate Veelers. Not even enough that it is clearly Cav's fault, you're defending him like you're his mother or something like that. Shut the fuck up! It's his bad,he won't be taken out of race ,but it's his fault.
Although Veelers moved to right a bit (20cms) , that's not reason to get shoulder in stomach and get blown away, is it? C'mon man, you can't be that biased.
Thing is, it wasn't clearly Cavs fault. I don't like Cav the slightest and I still defend him here because it was no more his fault then Veelers.
So if someone just turns left, when someone is driving there, it may happen? Well, that is weird.
Cav knew that he passed Veelers, and even if Veelers did not moved to the right, Cav would take him out with his action. That is so clear. That Veelers did actually slip a bit to the right, makes it unclear but it was clearly the fault of Cav.
And no, I don't hate Cav.
If Veelers had kept his line after his leadout was done, there would be no crash.
How hard can it be?
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 09-07-2013 18:34
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Gulvplanke wrote:
Mwuhi wrote:
Gulvplanke wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
You're being asshole just too much in this point. It really,really looks like you hate Veelers. Not even enough that it is clearly Cav's fault, you're defending him like you're his mother or something like that. Shut the fuck up! It's his bad,he won't be taken out of race ,but it's his fault.
Although Veelers moved to right a bit (20cms) , that's not reason to get shoulder in stomach and get blown away, is it? C'mon man, you can't be that biased.
Thing is, it wasn't clearly Cavs fault. I don't like Cav the slightest and I still defend him here because it was no more his fault then Veelers.
So if someone just turns left, when someone is driving there, it may happen? Well, that is weird.
Cav knew that he passed Veelers, and even if Veelers did not moved to the right, Cav would take him out with his action. That is so clear. That Veelers did actually slip a bit to the right, makes it unclear but it was clearly the fault of Cav.
And no, I don't hate Cav.
If Veelers had kept his line after his leadout was done, there would be no crash.
Veelers kept his line, except slipping away on the white lines.
However, Cav was going to fast back to left, without waiting to pass Veelers. As you can see, Cav went to the right at the same moment as Veelers did. But Cav went back to the left directly when he was on the same height as Veelers. Which impossible to do anyway.
Ok maybe Veelers shouldn't go the middle of the road that much, but he wanted Kittel have space enough. Cav had space enough to bypass him on the right, and now Cav just didn't bypass good enough. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 19:26
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Slightly moving to the right is the the same as swerving into someone. The way Cav made the move, a meter to the left or right doesn't matter, the crash would happen.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-07-2013 20:09
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Poorly designed route really, narrow and twisty are not good ingredients for a bunch sprint. I found it funny that every time OmegaPharma tried to move forward, Lotto-Belisol just swerved across infront of them to block the road - PCM style!
But what the hell was Veelers doing? Nabbing the prime position of Greipel's wheel then just sitting up, and swerving about a bit as he does so. Kittel did very well to win from there - benefited from Greipel fading at the end, I guess he went too early in the wind.
Clearly not deliberate by Cav. Just a mistake on his part in underestimating the difference in speed between himself and Veelers. He took the line he needed to take once he had passed Veelers, given the road layout and the need to try to get in to Greipel's slipstream, but unfortunately he did it too soon.
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| kissaha |
Posted on 09-07-2013 20:22
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Here's a small .gif for you guys. You can judge yourself...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-07-2013 20:23
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I understand there are people that don't like Cavendish.
But you honestly don't think he'd do this on purpose? Some people seem to think so.
Whether or not he was at fault, hard to say. I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 09-07-2013 20:24
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Slightly moving to the right is the the same as swerving into someone. The way Cav made the move, a meter to the left or right doesn't matter, the crash would happen.
Yes, if Cav was in fact a meter wide as opposed to being shaped like a human.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-07-2013 21:12
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So, Cavendish's rules:
- He can do this
- Ferrari can't
Gotta love the consistency
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| jph27 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 21:28
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Veelers did the same as Ferrari, just with less deviation. I may come across as biased by being British, but I'd be saying the same if it was any other sprinter, Greipel and Kittel included. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-07-2013 21:40
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Did Cavendish cut off Veelers and cause him to crash? Yes
Did Veelers stick to his line? No
Did Veelers look right, then go left, then go right? Yes
Did Cavendish go right, clearly and early? Yes
Did Veelers go right after Cavendish had gone right? Yes
Could Cavendish have done more to avoid Veelers? Yes
Do we see this kind of contact all the time? Yes
In fact, did we not see a similar incident on Stage 1 and Stage 9? Yes
Should Cavendish be relegated from the sprint? Yes, as should a lot of other people across the season
Are people overreacting? Fuck Yes
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 09-07-2013 21:42
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if something similair would have happend in F1 it would have been called a "race-incident"
in my opinion. they are both responsable
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