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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 03-10-2010 22:42
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4 years. I thought 4 years was the shortest ban cycling would give out nowadays, unless I'm very much mistaken.
I am disapointed with how our sport is managed at times. This is one of those times.
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 03-10-2010 23:07
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Anything else then two years should be unacceptable.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-10-2010 23:09
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No chance four years. If he's banned for two years, it'll be a miracle.
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Posted on 03-10-2010 23:11
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kumazan wrote:
No chance four years. If he's banned for two years, it'll be a miracle.
In CAS we trust.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-10-2010 23:16
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Because:
1) He's a Spaniard. This means the RFEC will propose no ban, or at best a three months ban for him. If no one appeals to the CAS, that will be it.
2) He's a big fish. UCI doesn't like to ban big fishes, thus why they tried to keep all this away from the public. To 'handle it internally'. Duh.
3) If he's gone, Riis is (almost) gone with him. A 'donation' might solve it all. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 04-10-2010 15:04
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Contador said today that he won`t accept a short ban like 3 months.
"He is totally innocent and so even a 3 month ban is not the right thing."
"Practically a 3 month ban would be the best for me, because it`s off season but this is not the point."
I would laugh if he fights against a short ban and then he is banned for 2 years 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:33
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Fernando Ramos, who is a professor at the University of Coimbra in Portugal and who has studied this subject for two decades, spoke to the paper. He noted that that the concentration would have to be so high that the animal would have died before being slaughtered.
“I can say 99 percent, it’s impossible,” he said, when asked if meat could be the source of the contamination.
Source: https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/588...-case.aspx |
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| roturn |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:38
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CrueTrue wrote:
Fernando Ramos, who is a professor at the University of Coimbra in Portugal and who has studied this subject for two decades, spoke to the paper. He noted that that the concentration would have to be so high that the animal would have died before being slaughtered.
“I can say 99 percent, it’s impossible,” he said, when asked if meat could be the source of the contamination.
Source: https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/588...-case.aspx
Then it`s even more weird that they wanted to keep it quiet without any punishment and now with 3 months.
This is just unfair.
Other riders like Hondo and the Li had much harder punishment for the same thing.
Doping - 2 year ban.
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Posted on 04-10-2010 16:41
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roturn wrote:
Then it`s even more weird that they wanted to keep it quiet without any punishment and now with 3 months.
This is just unfair.
Other riders like Hondo and the Li had much harder punishment for the same thing.
Doping - 2 year ban.
Either they do judge all the same or they don`t judge.
How is Hondo's case the same thing?
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| roturn |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:45
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You are right. Hondo had Carphedon and not Clenbuterol like I thought, when I posted it.
But there are also parallels.
The amount of Carphedon was that small that it was also possible that he had a positive because of food contamination. No positive the day before.
He was punished with a 2 year ban although it was possible that it was food contamination.
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:49
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It's harder to ban the best GT rider in the world than ban an "unknown" helper.
Edited by roturn on 04-10-2010 16:56
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:52
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roturn wrote:
You are right. Hondo had Carphedon and not Clenbuterol like I thought, when I posted it.
But there are also parallels.
The amount of Carphedon was that small that it was also possible that he had a positive because of food contamination. No positive the day before.
He was punished with a 2 year ban although it was possible that it was food contamination.
And even Werner Franke said he´s inoccent. Isn´t that enoughto be not banned?
For Contador, we can just hope for a fair 2-year-ban
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| roturn |
Posted on 04-10-2010 16:53
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Johan92 wrote:
It's harder to ban the best GT rider in the world than ban an "unknown" helper.
That`s true. But it is still the same trespass. So there shouldn`t be longer and shorter bans.
So in my eyes everything but a 2 year ban would be a shame for cycling.
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Posted on 04-10-2010 16:55
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felix_29 wrote:
roturn wrote:
You are right. Hondo had Carphedon and not Clenbuterol like I thought, when I posted it.
But there are also parallels.
The amount of Carphedon was that small that it was also possible that he had a positive because of food contamination. No positive the day before.
He was punished with a 2 year ban although it was possible that it was food contamination.
And even Werner Franke said he´s inoccent. Isn´t that enoughto be not banned?
For Contador, we can just hope for a fair 2-year-ban
In Frankes eyes Hondo and Ovtcharov are innocent
Could also be because he is German. But you are right. Franke is one of the guys who sees doping everywhere, so this says a lot. |
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Posted on 04-10-2010 17:04
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roturn wrote:
Johan92 wrote:
It's harder to ban the best GT rider in the world than ban an "unknown" helper.
That`s true. But it is still the same trespass. So there shouldn`t be longer and shorter bans.
So in my eyes everything but a 2 year ban would be a shame for cycling.
Off course, but when it's a rider like Contador, it's even more important on many levels to know everything about the case before ban him. He is suspended by UCI already to the case is solved?
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 04-10-2010 17:20
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The name, or level of rider should make 0 impact on a doping decision.
If it does, thats an element of corruption.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 04-10-2010 18:19
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It is quite funny to read that Alberto Contador would find it very hard to to accept a doping ban for doping. I feel the same way as him when I get parking tickets, so I have a lot of sympathy for how he feels.  |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-10-2010 18:39
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CrueTrue wrote:
Fernando Ramos, who is a professor at the University of Coimbra in Portugal and who has studied this subject for two decades, spoke to the paper. He noted that that the concentration would have to be so high that the animal would have died before being slaughtered.
“I can say 99 percent, it’s impossible,” he said, when asked if meat could be the source of the contamination.
Source: https://www.velonation.com/News/ID/588...-case.aspx Also the Spanish meat producers association have protested against Contador, claiming they've got a good tracking of products in Spain, that they're very controlled, and don't use clenbuterol for cattle.
Given the plasticine leftovers in Contador's blood sample, the only credible explanation is that he used clenbuterol as a steroid during his preparation, got his blood out, then in during the blood bag monday, and got caught with it. So he can't seem to figure how he got a positive at that moment, since he had probably not touched clenbuterol for weeks or months at that time.
And THAT (the transfusion, plus the clenbuterol use) deserve a 2 years ban (or even more, but that's not possible it seems), much more than some food intoxication. |
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Posted on 04-10-2010 18:43
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Still seems strange that he used Clenbuterol at all, considering the halvation time, there must be "safer" drugs out there. Then who knows, he might not be the smartest guy in the peloton, and he lacks JB looking over his shoulder this season.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-10-2010 18:51
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Heine wrote:
Still seems strange that he used Clenbuterol at all, considering the halvation time, there must be "safer" drugs out there. Then who knows, he might not be the smartest guy in the peloton, and he lacks JB looking over his shoulder this season. Now, now, your hate for that American guy clearly biases your opinion here.
If memory serves, clenbuterol is a steroid, and steroids are taken in cures. 3 or 4 days in a row, sometimes up to 2 weeks in a row, not more.
And apparently he had taken it before getting his blood extracted.
Now, when do riders get their blood extracted ? When they're not racing, and generally during training camps (Canaries, etc.).
Training camps are also the place when they're the toughest to reach for controllers...
Also training camp totally whack you, so you need to recover, which implies, among other things, building your muscles again (that's when steroids come around to help).
So, the logical deduction is the following : he took loads of it, say in May or early June after a tough training camp, unless it was in December/January (which is rather when you'd use big amounts of steroids).
The low amount ? He probably took clenbuterol one day too much, or something, the product had not totally vanished when they got the blood out. Still, as it's only like 1/10th of the whole blood you've got in your body at a time that's injected again, that gave a ridiculously low amount of the product.
Of course it's just guessing, but I don't think I'm too far from the truth this time. |
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