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| bibb229 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:42
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Where do you stop you lot, Sagan so far ahead in the Green Jersey two tours running, Martin so far ahead over most in time trials, Cancellara and Boonen unbeatable in the classics thats matter.
Natural ability plus absolute dedication or just cheating?
For me and my sanity and wanting to enjoy what im watching I believe given current testing that its ability and dedication.
To say that improvements in technology and everytrhing else doesnt matter is just plain stupid, even the mental affect of thinking you are the best prepared in all this area and therefore think you have an advantage over your rivals can be massive especially at this level. Obviously not a sportsman. Stick to your video games child.
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Posted on 15-07-2013 10:42
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
baggieboys32 wrote:
Baggieboys32 wrote: It doesn't account for why Froome can drop everyone like he did today, but it says things as to why he, with a massive tailwind all the way up the Ventoux Can ride home inside the time of Lance Dopestrong
Next time learn to read...
Then why others couldnt?
This is the last time I even bother responding to you... Read my post, read how I Clearly state that I don't think he's clean... And Actually, he was 2" slower up the full climb, and when considering the shorter section, as I understand it, Quintana was also inside the record time, or if not, then certainly extremely close...
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| Rin |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:43
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To all those saying "Technology and methods improved"
Well yes it improved to some degree but will they succeed just 8 years after all those doper times?
I mean do you know how the peoples in the 1950 imagined how life would look like in 2000?
Well I haven't seen covercrafting cars on the streets yet and all those crazy stuff..
EDIT: I wonder where all those idiots come from I thought the Cyclingnews forums are up again.. Or the british secret agency saw this site and decided to restore their reputation of their empire being idiots.
And I wonder whose fanboys are fanboying harder the norwegians back when EBH hasn't decided to do nothing or the Froomebot empire.
Edited by Rin on 15-07-2013 10:46
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:45
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Spilak23 wrote:
Froome and Quintana were riding the same bike yesterday
Excellent point
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:48
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issoisso wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Froome and Quintana were riding the same bike yesterday
Excellent point
At Dauphine ive heard Movistar were riding on last years Dogma frame and Sky have had new spec ones. |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:49
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Ybodonk wrote:
Brailsford just stated again at a press conference that we wont give up Froome's data.
He says it is a unique, private and secret profile for a person, which only should be examined by relevant expert-people (Lab rats, Anti-Doping, WADA the ones controlling blood passport etc).
Furthermore he says looking at Froome' data alone, would be the same as looking only at an ITT instead of a whole Tour. In other words he says it only provides the small picture, in a big context.
He do not feel we are competent enough nor will he acknowlegde the transparency these numbers COULD provide. He will rather keep the data as a secret.
Even LeMond has been suspicious and eager to get Froome's data, and argues everyone should do it so we can have a more transparent and clean sport. LeMond will not get his enquiry forfilled, yet...
What's so unique about it? Dope stats. I've seen many many riders posting their data on twitter. It's not a big deal, unless you got something to hide.
I agree. Nibali did also post his stats from TDF last year, during the race. Very interesting to see. Brailsford just keep repeating the same bs.
Its obvious that they got something to hide. Since last year 
Since we cant get the official results from them, I like when the math guys are providing with all the delicious watt/kg numbers etc.
It is very eye catching that the rest of the GC contenders are almost similar in strenght, power and performance.
To the guy stating that if Froome was doped, he wouldnt have lost the Vuelta last year. Mate, Froome had a long season and did ride the TDF. Doping is not a miracle substance, like Aquarius says : Its gives you 4-13 % increase in perfomance. Its nok like you become 200 % better. Even dope has its limits. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:54
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Froome and Quintana were riding the same bike yesterday
Excellent point
At Dauphine ive heard Movistar were riding on last years Dogma frame and Sky have had new spec ones.
iirc, that was for the timetrial. With the new spec one being the same Wiggins threw away during the Giro for an old one
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:55
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issoisso wrote:
That was just another example of Henderson's constant sarcasm on twitter. For example:
Does Henderson claim that Froome rode +500 wats in 20 minutes ?
I know its sarcasm, but what was the calculation for Froomes last 16km, 450 watt?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2013 10:58
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He tweeted that after the AX-3 stage, I chose it as an example of Henderson always being sarcastic
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:02
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issoisso wrote:
He tweeted that after the AX-3 stage, I chose it as an example of Henderson always being sarcastic
Oh I didnt look at the date of the tweet, sorry |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:12
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bibb229 wrote:
Where do you stop you lot, Sagan so far ahead in the Green Jersey two tours running, Martin so far ahead over most in time trials, Cancellara and Boonen unbeatable in the classics thats matter.
Natural ability plus absolute dedication or just cheating?
For me and my sanity and wanting to enjoy what im watching I believe given current testing that its ability and dedication.
To say that improvements in technology and everytrhing else doesnt matter is just plain stupid, even the mental affect of thinking you are the best prepared in all this area and therefore think you have an advantage over your rivals can be massive especially at this level. Obviously not a sportsman. Stick to your video games child.
It seems you are covering the lack of knowledge by offensive language.
How you can compare Sagan being so ahead in points competition with what is Froome doing, did you actually see some stage this or last year? Sagan is winning it thanks to incredible consistency,as he finishes every second stage on podium and he combines the decent climbing with speed.
While other sprinters as Greipel,Cav and Kittel are faster, but sometimes have problems to hold in the front group as they cant climb and also lack Peters superior positioning and technical abilities (they are still great in it, Cav for example, but not every stage).
It is not like Sagan is winning every stage he wants by minute, like someone else we are discussing here. Also i think it is very different effort.
Of course Sagan can be doping too, nobody knows, but saying that Froome is clean because look at how Sagan is far ahead in points is funny BS. 
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| bibb229 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:24
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I think you need to re read my post. Offensive language?? I did not directly compare Froome and Sagan. Stop boring people with simple things about how Sagan is able to win the green jesrey, its easy to see how he does it but what im saying is he is so far ahead in his field. No other rider on the tour can do what he does, does that not make hime stand out?? If greipal Cav etc started riding in break aways they would not win the stages that they do. They arent there when its hilly. Sagan wins flat hilly and could also win from breaks, dont see many other riders doing that in the tour. He is not doping just extremely talented, just making a point that some people get tunnel vision on teams and riders they dont like. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:25
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cio93 wrote:
Haha, either one guy created lots of accounts over the last few years and decided to use all of them at once, or there are lots of morons in the UK 
Try living here... I wish isso would spend his days on the Guardian comments section. And still nobody would believe him. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:27
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bibb229 wrote:
Where do you stop you lot, Sagan so far ahead in the Green Jersey two tours running, Martin so far ahead over most in time trials, Cancellara and Boonen unbeatable in the classics thats matter.
Natural ability plus absolute dedication or just cheating?
For me and my sanity and wanting to enjoy what im watching I believe given current testing that its ability and dedication.
To say that improvements in technology and everytrhing else doesnt matter is just plain stupid, even the mental affect of thinking you are the best prepared in all this area and therefore think you have an advantage over your rivals can be massive especially at this level. Obviously not a sportsman. Stick to your video games child.
bibb229wrote:
I think you need to re read my post. Offensive language?? I did not directly compare Froome and Sagan. Stop boring people with simple things about how Sagan is able to win the green jesrey, its easy to see how he does it but what im saying is he is so far ahead in his field. No other rider on the tour can do what he does, does that not make hime stand out?? If greipal Cav etc started riding in break aways they would not win the stages that they do. They arent there when its hilly. Sagan wins flat hilly and could also win from breaks, dont see many other riders doing that in the tour. He is not doping just extremely talented, just making a point that some people get tunnel vision on teams and riders they dont like.
That last sentence seems quite offensive to me
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:28
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Haha, either one guy created lots of accounts over the last few years and decided to use all of them at once, or there are lots of morons in the UK
Try living here... I wish isso would spend his days on the Guardian comments section. And still nobody would believe him.
Idiots are in large supply everywhere. We have those comments sections over here too. They're not any better.
The worst part is we also have a TV commentator like that (Paulo Martins) who does things like, for example, after Armstrong's confession he penned an article criticizing the fans for saying bad things about 'This great champion'.
EDIT: Fun story. A few years ago he must've googled himself, and being too stupid to know any english, only found the criticism of him in PCM-Portugal.
He proceeded to demand the admins removed the bad opinions of him that members had posted or he would sue. Marco can tell you more about that. I believe the answer he got was a polite version of 'Fuck Off'
Edited by issoisso on 15-07-2013 11:31
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| bibb229 |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:33
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Haha, either one guy created lots of accounts over the last few years and decided to use all of them at once, or there are lots of morons in the UK
Try living here... I wish isso would spend his days on the Guardian comments section. And still nobody would believe him.
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Posted on 15-07-2013 11:34
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bibb229 wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Haha, either one guy created lots of accounts over the last few years and decided to use all of them at once, or there are lots of morons in the UK
Try living here... I wish isso would spend his days on the Guardian comments section. And still nobody would believe him.
Cheers for your input moron
Thanks, I'm sure the mods were dying for that excuse to ban you. Bye forever
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:38
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Oh god even Riccò's being sarcastic about Froome now
EDIT: And Michael 'Chicken' Rasmussen too
When one has had his time in the peloton for many, many years and has been on the wrong side of right and wrong, then you can get a pretty clear sense of when something is fast, and when something is too fast.
What we saw yesterday was too fast
EDIT2: Kimmage
Froome on Ventoux? Call me Dumbo: "I saw a peanut stand, heard a rubber band, I saw a needle that winked its eye. But I think I will have.....seen everything when I see an elephant fly."
Thomas Frei's response:
@PaulKimmage @DavidWalshST you guys heard already from Gas6 (Growth arrest-specific 6) ?
Edited by issoisso on 15-07-2013 11:43
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:44
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issoisso wrote:
Oh god even Riccò's being sarcastic about Froome now
I'm giggling so much that it hurts
bibb229 wrote:
Cheers for your input moron
And now it hurts for the sheer stupidity. Please don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-07-2013 11:50
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Froome and Quintana were riding the same bike yesterday
Excellent point
At Dauphine ive heard Movistar were riding on last years Dogma frame and Sky have had new spec ones.
As the weight is controlled and all pro bikes are at 6,8 kg, the rest doesn't really matter for climbing. Difference in output due to the bike must be close to zero between bikes that have one year difference (since it's about 5 when compared to a 30 years old bike), and aerodynamics don't matter much when climbing.
Ybodonk wrote:
Does Henderson claim that Froome rode +500 wats in 20 minutes ?
I know its sarcasm, but what was the calculation for Froomes last 16km, 450 watt?
Insane either way
Unless it's just a random figure by Henderson, I'd say it's Froome's W/kg multiplied by Greipel's weight. |
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