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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 16-03-2015 17:23
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miguejack wrote:
Right? I feel the same. When it comes to Froome, Contador can actually do "something" but when it comes to Quintana, he seems to freeze  Guido Mukk wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Quintana is in very good shape that will be great for the tour. I really don't see Alberto Contador winning both the Giro and the Tour.
There is soooo much time until tour 3rd. week. Contador can not ride both tour in peak.
Anyway Quintana has something that is poison for Contador.
Contador can follow Froome...so far never Quintana.
Maybe because Contador knows Froome is his biggest rival and if he lost time in mountain it's going to be hard for him to take that time if there's any time trial. Quintana is strong in mountain don't get me wrong but he's weak in time trial. Columbians are never really good in time trial excluding Rigoberto Uran. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 16-03-2015 17:31
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I came home and saw Sagan won. The world is ending folks.  |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 16-03-2015 23:11
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miguejack wrote:
Right? I feel the same. When it comes to Froome, Contador can actually do "something" but when it comes to Quintana, he seems to freeze Guido Mukk wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Quintana is in very good shape that will be great for the tour. I really don't see Alberto Contador winning both the Giro and the Tour.
There is soooo much time until tour 3rd. week. Contador can not ride both tour in peak.
Anyway Quintana has something that is poison for Contador.
Contador can follow Froome...so far never Quintana.
Contador defeated Quintana in stunning and remarkable fashion last year in Tirreno-Adriatico. His double stage wins have been nothing but epic there. At the Vuelta, he was better (in my opinion) than Quintana despite coming from an injury, although I'm reluctant to say that since Quintana planned to peak in third week. Riis or Stromeon would probably disagree harshly. So, schemantics really.
Alas, there's no "freezing" on Contador's part. He just didn't have the legs. When a guy like Mollema finishes ahead of Contador, you know that Quintana and Contador are on a different level right now. Apparently he had a crash a week ahead of Tirreno, and it is reported he crashed on stage 4. His opening prologue at Tirreno-Adriatico was pretty bad, being only 2 seconds faster than Quintana himself, indicating that he's "not there yet", like at all. Neither he shouldn't be there yet actually. He will need all power come the two GTs. On the other hand, I can imagine that Quintana had a solid gameplan coming into Tirreno, looking for payback for the prior year.
Me, I'm very fine with Bertie's results so far. He has done his job in winter, his weight looks fine. Since he does the double this year, those stage races can hurt his ambitions in the long run. I'm not worried at all. Rijs, De Jongh, Basso and him know what they are doing.
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"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-03-2015 00:06
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fidjim2013 wrote:
miguejack wrote:
Right? I feel the same. When it comes to Froome, Contador can actually do "something" but when it comes to Quintana, he seems to freeze Guido Mukk wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Quintana is in very good shape that will be great for the tour. I really don't see Alberto Contador winning both the Giro and the Tour.
There is soooo much time until tour 3rd. week. Contador can not ride both tour in peak.
Anyway Quintana has something that is poison for Contador.
Contador can follow Froome...so far never Quintana.
Maybe because Contador knows Froome is his biggest rival and if he lost time in mountain it's going to be hard for him to take that time if there's any time trial. Quintana is strong in mountain don't get me wrong but he's weak in time trial. Columbians are never really good in time trial excluding Rigoberto Uran.
Columbians have stunning Tt riders from past. Even Quintana is more then averange when really needed |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 17-03-2015 00:41
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Guido Mukk wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
miguejack wrote:
Right? I feel the same. When it comes to Froome, Contador can actually do "something" but when it comes to Quintana, he seems to freeze Guido Mukk wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Quintana is in very good shape that will be great for the tour. I really don't see Alberto Contador winning both the Giro and the Tour.
There is soooo much time until tour 3rd. week. Contador can not ride both tour in peak.
Anyway Quintana has something that is poison for Contador.
Contador can follow Froome...so far never Quintana.
Maybe because Contador knows Froome is his biggest rival and if he lost time in mountain it's going to be hard for him to take that time if there's any time trial. Quintana is strong in mountain don't get me wrong but he's weak in time trial. Columbians are never really good in time trial excluding Rigoberto Uran.
Columbians have stunning Tt riders from past. Even Quintana is more then averange when really needed
I'm not talking about the past, I'm talking about the present |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-03-2015 06:31
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cio93 wrote:
YOU STILL LOST MSR YOU FOOL
Again, that was not MSR, but a bus ride, i will remind it every time you will remind me that Ciolek win.
Finally Peter. 
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 17-03-2015 13:05
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Hoping Yates can finish top 10 on the overall. Need a good TT to stay where he is. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 17-03-2015 15:07
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Mollema's rhythm and position on the TT bike is freaking awful  |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-03-2015 15:08
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So..... Sagan outside the time limit?
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 17-03-2015 15:11
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Expected better from Nairo but still enough to win it. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 17-03-2015 15:13
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TheManxMissile wrote:
So..... Sagan outside the time limit?
Some say me made it 1sec, some he's out of it. Gotta wait for final time standings.
Anyway, moronic
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 17-03-2015 15:14
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Yay!
Seemed like Nairo went well, but he was rather slow. He probably didnt went as fast around some corners etc. as he had a margin, but Im glad they dont have to go out on a flat 50 km time trial in TdF. |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 17-03-2015 15:46
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Mollema was good in TT, with time even better than Uran. TFR has surely helped him in TT. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 17-03-2015 17:07
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Riis123 wrote:
Yay!
Seemed like Nairo went well, but he was rather slow. He probably didnt went as fast around some corners etc. as he had a margin, but Im glad they dont have to go out on a flat 50 km time trial in TdF.
That's because Quintana is weak in TT |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-03-2015 18:03
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Alakagom wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So..... Sagan outside the time limit?
Some say me made it 1sec, some he's out of it. Gotta wait for final time standings.
Anyway, moronic
What happened? |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 17-03-2015 18:16
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Ian Butler wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So..... Sagan outside the time limit?
Some say me made it 1sec, some he's out of it. Gotta wait for final time standings.
Anyway, moronic
What happened?
He cruised on a TT stage finishing 3 mins down on Fabian on a 11'30'' TT.
Edited by Kirchen_75 on 17-03-2015 18:18
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-03-2015 18:18
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
So..... Sagan outside the time limit?
Some say me made it 1sec, some he's out of it. Gotta wait for final time standings.
Anyway, moronic
What happened?
He cruised on a TT stage finishing 3 mins down on Fabian on a 10'30'' TT.
So nearly missing the points jersey... Okay, quite moronic, or rather nonchalant.  |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 17-03-2015 18:42
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Yay!
Seemed like Nairo went well, but he was rather slow. He probably didnt went as fast around some corners etc. as he had a margin, but Im glad they dont have to go out on a flat 50 km time trial in TdF.
That's because Quintana is weak in TT
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/V...a_de_Duero
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/T...14_Stage_7
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/P..._6_Beasain
Quintana was poor at TTing up to about 2012-2013 but has improved a lot in the past couple of years; today's performance was sub-par by his standards, but he did have some time to play with so it is understandable. Yes he is weaker (note the comparative) than Froome and Contador at TTing but so are most people and he's really not that much significantly worse than them.
On a slightly different note:
So pleased to see Quintana win overall, although it was basically confirmed on Terminillo, there was always the possibility of a mishap in the ITT but no such thing occurred. This is a really important result for him, showing that he can beat 2014-2015 Contador, which he hasn't really done before and bodes well for the rest of the season and indeed the Tour (although Froome is perhaps looking the more likely threat at this stage?)
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| Shonak |
Posted on 17-03-2015 18:49
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Nin1388 wrote:
Mollema was good in TT, with time even better than Uran. TFR has surely helped him in TT.
Yeah definitely, this was a point he had to work on. But to be fair, he could only improve his Time Trialing since the horrendous performance that was stage 20 last year at le Tour.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 18-03-2015 02:12
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Stromeon wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Yay!
Seemed like Nairo went well, but he was rather slow. He probably didnt went as fast around some corners etc. as he had a margin, but Im glad they dont have to go out on a flat 50 km time trial in TdF.
That's because Quintana is weak in TT
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/V...a_de_Duero
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/T...14_Stage_7
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/P..._6_Beasain
Quintana was poor at TTing up to about 2012-2013 but has improved a lot in the past couple of years; today's performance was sub-par by his standards, but he did have some time to play with so it is understandable. Yes he is weaker (note the comparative) than Froome and Contador at TTing but so are most people and he's really not that much significantly worse than them.
On a slightly different note:
So pleased to see Quintana win overall, although it was basically confirmed on Terminillo, there was always the possibility of a mishap in the ITT but no such thing occurred. This is a really important result for him, showing that he can beat 2014-2015 Contador, which he hasn't really done before and bodes well for the rest of the season and indeed the Tour (although Froome is perhaps looking the more likely threat at this stage?)
Quintana did win the GC but that is clearly because most GC riders were conservative and are not in top shape yet. Look at Alberto Contador in good shape there's no way Quintana would have get a marginal win. But Contador got no choice to let Quintana go because the Giro and the Tour is his main focus so he needs to be careful with his peak form. |
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