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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 22-04-2014 21:43
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Mage Giro as mountainous as possible, have a uphill TTT on stage 1 and a long 40km+ flat TT stage 11. The last mountainous stage is stage 20. The last stage is a 90km flat stage.
Just an idea
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-04-2014 21:45
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Silvio Herklotz wrote:
I think we should at least keep the overall characteristics from the GTs:
Tour should definetely include a big amount of sprint stages (6-8) to have all the major sprinters here
Vuelta: Pretty hilly, maybe something for hilly sprinters just and with a huge amount of those "not really for mixing up GC but still hilly/mountaineous stages"
Giro: okay, what is always characteristic for Giro? Doesn't strike me as hard as Vuelta and Tour.
Oh, and I think we should have variants where TT skills really make a difference though (with more than 50km compared at least ITT), because no TT-differences really annow me IRL nowadays.
Sound's like a plea for Pelli's Giro  I second that, good to have a GT that favours the TTists I suppose, as long as there's a mountainous Tour to compensate for that.
And for the Vuelta, I recommend nathounet's variant that ends with the MTT, nicely balanced (although not particularly Vuelta-ish) and that would mean a TT GT, a climbers' GT, and a balanced GT 
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 22-04-2014 21:54
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Stromeon wrote:
Silvio Herklotz wrote:
I think we should at least keep the overall characteristics from the GTs:
Tour should definetely include a big amount of sprint stages (6-8) to have all the major sprinters here
Vuelta: Pretty hilly, maybe something for hilly sprinters just and with a huge amount of those "not really for mixing up GC but still hilly/mountaineous stages"
Giro: okay, what is always characteristic for Giro? Doesn't strike me as hard as Vuelta and Tour.
Oh, and I think we should have variants where TT skills really make a difference though (with more than 50km compared at least ITT), because no TT-differences really annow me IRL nowadays.
Sound's like a plea for Pelli's Giro I second that, good to have a GT that favours the TTists I suppose, as long as there's a mountainous Tour to compensate for that.
And for the Vuelta, I recommend nathounet's variant that ends with the MTT, nicely balanced (although not particularly Vuelta-ish) and that would mean a TT GT, a climbers' GT, and a balanced GT
Yeah, that was some kind of what I meant. Though I'd say a balanced Tour would give the sprinters more chances and a climbers Vuelta could have some of these breakaway-hill/mountain stages (I know, thanks to AI every stage is a breakaway stage now  ).
Personally, I'd like that change-around more.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 22-04-2014 21:57
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Giro = Insane mountain stages
Tour = lot's of flat, even a few cobbles
Vuelta = _______/
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 22-04-2014 22:05
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Ollfardh wrote:
Tour = lot's of flat, even a few cobbles
Totally forgot on that! Yes, pleease! Can we have some cobbles in le Tour? Maybe no Paris-Roubaix, but it would make things interesting. If that won't be in the variant, we are gonna take, you could just substitute some stage in the beginning with the one of the 2014 (they are made yet, right?) Ypern stage.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-04-2014 22:11
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Each GT an emmea variant or will they be too tough?
Edited by Shonak on 22-04-2014 22:12
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 22-04-2014 22:32
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Tour still needs to be won by a climber/stage racer though. Cobbles sound like fun. How about Stage 20 being a uphill cobbled TT which is 30km long and at least 10km of cobble.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-04-2014 22:36
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
How about Stage 20 being a uphill cobbled TT which is 30km long and at least 10km of cobble.
No.
I mean, really... just no, please.
Edited by Shonak on 22-04-2014 22:37
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 22-04-2014 22:38
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Tour still needs to be won by a climber/stage racer though. Cobbles sound like fun. How about Stage 20 being a uphill cobbled TT which is 30km long and at least 10km of cobble.
As I suppose this refers to me:
I don't see any main GC contender having a much better cobble stat than the others, so it won't be decisive between them.
And I strongly believe there won't be anybody gaining more than 2-3 minutes, if there are cobbles in the end of a stage, that could, indeed, create gaps. Furthermore, I am sure Cancellara won't bring these minutes over Alpe d'Huez and Ventoux. So, I don't see your point.
Edit: @shonak: That was sarcasm by LLS, wasn't it?
Edited by Silvio Herklotz on 22-04-2014 22:39
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-04-2014 22:40
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Actually Valverde is pretty killer on cbs in the db, so that would favor me. I like a cbs stage, like the Muur in one of Emmea's variants, but a uphill cobbled TT, that sounds just awful.
Besides that, a strong TT should be featured in the Tour, however please don't let it take overhand. 80 TT km in total should be enough to favor TT guys like Froome and Van Garderen.
Silvio Herklotz wrote:
Edit: @shonak: That was sarcasm by LLS, wasn't it?
I honestly can't tell.
Edited by Shonak on 22-04-2014 22:41
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 22-04-2014 22:52
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Shonak wrote:
Each GT an emmea variant or will they be too tough?
Maximum one is good Has he even made any Vueltas?
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Posted on 22-04-2014 23:01
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Tour: sprinter-based (7-8 sprint stages) and two long TTs (together about 70-85km) would be nice. Maybe one cobbled stage.
Giro: Balanced: Some sprint stages, some TT (55km) or perhaps a TTT, some hilly and mountain stages and some insane mountain stages
Vuelta: Some hilly stages, only few TT, few (hilly) sprint stages, many mountain stages. Mostly like Brewers said: _______/. Very hard.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-04-2014 23:08
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My recommendations as a neutral CT team:
Giro = Mountainous but with enough TT to open it up to variety = 2012/2013 Routes are not bad for this. Both favor the more mountainous riders but include enough TT km's to give a more Wiggins type rider a chance. I'm not that clued up on the fantasy variants
Tour = The Balanced Race = 2010 route would be perfect! Cobbles early on to spice things up, some great hilly stages in the front half of the race. Some big Pyrenees stages for the climbers. Plenty of sprinting chances for the sprinters. Plus a nice amount of TT kilometers.
Vuelta = ______/ = Plenty of options there to chose from. But the harder the Giro, the easier the Vuelta and visa versa
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| Silvio Herklotz |
Posted on 22-04-2014 23:54
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Shonak wrote:
I honestly can't tell.
I couldn't as well, so I wanted to help you by spreding my feeling. Besides it is indeed very hard to get it, so should we maybe ask him? 
Ok, back to reality: It looks like we all have kinda similar ideas, so it shouldn't be to hard to find one. I like TMM's approach of using real editions.
Edited by Silvio Herklotz on 22-04-2014 23:56
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 23-04-2014 06:44
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Sounds good.
I'd say(like most) TT-heavy Tour, TT-light Vuelta.
Cobbles sound nice, but make sure there are hills/mountains before that, otherwise the AI screws up, leaving Quintana 20 mins behind at the cobbled stage
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| Shonak |
Posted on 23-04-2014 08:38
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What do you guys mean with TT heavy exactly. From 60 to 80 total TT kilometers appears to me really heavy already, or am I mistaken here? Please no Wiggins Tour 2012 with 100 kilometers TT.
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 23-04-2014 08:48
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I think 2 ITTs one flat 30k plus |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 23-04-2014 08:52
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Vuelta
It isn't too serious but can it be hilly, mountainous and at least have a bit off TT kilometres (flat or hilly). A few stages with selective reduced sprints would be nice as well (Valverde sprint stages), so a climb which summits 10km or so before finish.
Again if it can not hapoen I will go with whatever as I do not know if I will be racing in it.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-04-2014 08:55
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40km TTT, 30km ITT, prologue or mountain TT optional 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 23-04-2014 09:26
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I think the tour should definitely include cobbles, maybe in week two though, so that it's already the climbers in the good GC positions. Some TTing should be in too, but i wouldn't over do it.
And looking through the profile thread, shouldn't Tour of Northern Europe have cobbles, too?
EDIT: Just realised there are cobbles, on stage 2.
Edited by Dippofix on 23-04-2014 09:28
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