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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-07-2014 02:41
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Lotto is the best and it is great to see them fostering their own talents. Now for Van Asbroeck.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 07:09
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There's a rumour doing the rounds that Garmin and Cannondale are to merge. Would be a pretty good team if true. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 09:43
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Is Sep staying at Belkin or has he received offers from other teams? |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 08-07-2014 09:52
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Well, yesterday Plugge said that he's confident to find a new sponsor. He already had contact with some companies before Belkin stepped in and those same companies are still interested. Mollema and Kelderman have already promised not to negotiate with other teams and give Plugge the time needed to get new sponsor(s) in.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 08-07-2014 10:01
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Sep extended his contract to 2016, in March.
So I guess that if Belkin stays, he ''has to'' stay too?
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| Anderis |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:02
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jph27 wrote:
There's a rumour doing the rounds that Garmin and Cannondale are to merge. Would be a pretty good team if true.
I just wonder if Talansky and Sagan could co-exist in TdF roster, and at the my first thought was that it could create some conflict of interest (when Talansky extended with Garmin, it was suggested the team will be built around him) but eventually I found out that it could actually work. The team wouldn't need to chase breakaways on flat stages anyway, because there are all of those Cavendishes and Kittels who are in theory quicker, so they would need only 2 or 3 flat guys to lead out Sagan and the rest could be climbers.
But Sagan would probably enjoy a much better climbing team than he had at Canondale, so his new team could drop all of other sprinters on harder parcours if it is possible. And he could be a perfect help for Talansky in some situations.
I also think Navardauskas would be a perfect domestique for Sagan. Perfect. Haas could be as well.
Let's assume all of the best riders from both teams are in this new merged team. The TdF roster like that would be very interesting:
- Talansky
- Sagan
- Viviani (or Farrar)
- Haas
- Navardauskas
- Slagter
- Acevedo
- Hesjedal
- Wiggins (there were some strong rumours recently that he would come back to Vaughters for next year)
(Let's assume Dan Martin focuses at Giro-Vuelta again because it doesn't make sense to throw all of the best riders to TdF).
But if Sagan doesn't decide to join that merged team, I would've expected the roster to be built mostly of current Garmin's riders.
The team consisting of Talansky, Martin, Hesjedal, Slagter, Sagan, Viviani and Wiggins is perhaps too good to become reality, so I expect at least one of them to look for a place elsewhere. On the other hand, after Garmin's and Cervelo's merge in 2011, there was incredible classics team with Hushovd, Haussler, Farrar, Vansummeren, Maaskant, Hammond, Klier and Vanmarcke and they could co-exist all in one-team, although the results were huge disappointment discounting P-R win.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:10
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I don't see where King and Marino, to name two Cannondale starters, would be specifically helping Sagan beyond the work of an average WT rider, or in this case an actual climbing domestique for a GC rider aka Talansky.
The way Sagan works, it would even help him to have more team mates in the hillier stages so that a Nibali attack won't work too often, while his team's support on flat stages is actually more apparent in the intermediate sprint preparation than in the actual sprint prep.
Conclusion: that could very well work and would be interesting to follow.
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:43
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jph27 wrote:
There's a rumour doing the rounds that Garmin and Cannondale are to merge. Would be a pretty good team if true.
Acevedo, Bodnar, Cardoso, Dekker, Dennis, De Marchi, Farrar, Formolo, Gatto, Haas, Hesjedal, Howes, Koren, R.Kreder, Langeveld, Marcato
D.Martin, Mohoric, Moser, Navardauskas, Norman Hansen, Nuyens, Ratto, Sagan, Slagter, Talansky, Van Baarle, Vansummeren, Villella, Viviani, Von Hoff
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 13:54
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jph27 wrote:
There's a rumour doing the rounds that Garmin and Cannondale are to merge. Would be a pretty good team if true.
If that were true they would have an awesome squad  |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 09-07-2014 01:46
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baseballlover312 wrote:
If Talansky goes to Sky I will actually chop my head off.
But I honestly can't see why he would go. he has full leadership of Tour with some support at Garmin now, his home country team. And while Sky have money, Garmin have plenty to offer him as maybe the most talented American in the sport right now.
He would go to Sky for a slightly bigger paycheck and ride support his whole career? unlikely. I feel like there are a ton of rumors to Sky but they won't get everyone.
Agree. Talansky is in my top 3 favorite riders and if he goes to Sky I will be very fucking upset. It makes no sense anyway with him getting full leadership of Garmin after his performances the last few years. |
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Posted on 09-07-2014 01:51
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Anderis wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I'm fairly sure they would match any offer of another team.
I'm fairly sure BMC and Sky have the money to outbid Garmin. I remember Vaughters complaining something like 2 years ago that he didn't have the money to keep all of his guys (so he lost Wiggins, Hushovd and Vanmarcke among others in the process). I'm not sure if much has changed since then. Their only really big transfers in the team's history were Hushovd and Haussler following the Cervelo marriage in 2011. Other than that, they only hire young riders or more experienced, decent riders, but not real stars (like real top3 contenders for GTs and monuments or sprinters capable of winning TdF stages) by any meaning. Langeveld was probably their biggest signing in the last 3 years- that says it all.
Certainly being American team helps, but there are also other American teams that could probably offer better money. You say declining guys, but Hesjedal is on a contract through 2015, probably a big one, as a Giro winner. Danielson also has the contract for 2015. If they want to keep Martin, they need to pay him quite a lot as well. Only Millar's retirement will be some relief to the budget, but will it be enough to give Talansky a pay rise which he certainly deserves? I'm not sure.
I give it 60% that he leaves, and 40% that he stays in Garmin for the next year. I would say BMC would be the most likely destination, but luckily they have Van Garderen- a simillar type of rider of the same nationality- conflict of interest assured. Is TJVG contracted for 2015?
If Talansky is dumb enough to go to Sky for a little more money he is crazy.
In terms of Danielson, surely the contract he has signed since Vaughters said that was cheaper than it was then.
Sky could outbid. But BMC is a huge conflict of interest with TVG. Both need to go to the Tour, because the parcours of the other GTs don't favor them well, and why would either settles for co leadership?
Talansky will get a raise from Garmin for sure. He gets full leadership in the Tour de France for the biggest American team in the sport (BMC is like half Swiss).
Logically that should be enough.
The parcours of the other two GTs favor Talansky much more than TVG and that is not a shot at TVG. I could see Tejay being BMC's man in the Tour and Talansky getting a shot at the Giro Vuelta double. I know he can podium in the Giro for sure as early as next year.
I wouldnt mind rooting for BMC with those two as their leaders.
EDIT: Guess I posted to early, great to hear he re upped with Garmin.
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Posted on 09-07-2014 02:35
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Movistar wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Anderis wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
I'm fairly sure they would match any offer of another team.
I'm fairly sure BMC and Sky have the money to outbid Garmin. I remember Vaughters complaining something like 2 years ago that he didn't have the money to keep all of his guys (so he lost Wiggins, Hushovd and Vanmarcke among others in the process). I'm not sure if much has changed since then. Their only really big transfers in the team's history were Hushovd and Haussler following the Cervelo marriage in 2011. Other than that, they only hire young riders or more experienced, decent riders, but not real stars (like real top3 contenders for GTs and monuments or sprinters capable of winning TdF stages) by any meaning. Langeveld was probably their biggest signing in the last 3 years- that says it all.
Certainly being American team helps, but there are also other American teams that could probably offer better money. You say declining guys, but Hesjedal is on a contract through 2015, probably a big one, as a Giro winner. Danielson also has the contract for 2015. If they want to keep Martin, they need to pay him quite a lot as well. Only Millar's retirement will be some relief to the budget, but will it be enough to give Talansky a pay rise which he certainly deserves? I'm not sure.
I give it 60% that he leaves, and 40% that he stays in Garmin for the next year. I would say BMC would be the most likely destination, but luckily they have Van Garderen- a simillar type of rider of the same nationality- conflict of interest assured. Is TJVG contracted for 2015?
If Talansky is dumb enough to go to Sky for a little more money he is crazy.
In terms of Danielson, surely the contract he has signed since Vaughters said that was cheaper than it was then.
Sky could outbid. But BMC is a huge conflict of interest with TVG. Both need to go to the Tour, because the parcours of the other GTs don't favor them well, and why would either settles for co leadership?
Talansky will get a raise from Garmin for sure. He gets full leadership in the Tour de France for the biggest American team in the sport (BMC is like half Swiss).
Logically that should be enough.
The parcours of the other two GTs favor Talansky much more than TVG and that is not a shot at TVG. I could see Tejay being BMC's man in the Tour and Talansky getting a shot at the Giro Vuelta double. I know he can podium in the Giro for sure as early as next year.
I wouldnt mind rooting for BMC with those two as their leaders.
EDIT: Guess I posted to early, great to hear he re upped with Garmin.
I don't agree with you there. Talansky is a great time trialist which usually favors the TDF (not this time), and the punchy stuff at the Vuelta wouldn't be a good fit.
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| bennettWPS |
Posted on 09-07-2014 07:07
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So if Garmin and Cannondale merge and the future former Belkin team disband, that'd leave 2 spots open for the Pro-Con teams (or the Fernando Alonso super team) to make a jump up. There's gonna be a big signing period for the smaller teams to sign riders with points to secure entry for next season.
Cofidis being linked to Bouhanni as well as Dani Navarro getting a top 10 in the Tour (WT points) could help them move up. NetApp, Wanty, IAM, and even MTN would have to obtain points to move up as well, but my money is on IAM to move up with Cofidis.
It'd be an interesting signing period. Also, look for Christina Watches to make a move up as well, since 2015 is supposed to be the year they become a Pro-Con team.
Just some speculation that isn't about the riders. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 09-07-2014 07:22
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Regarding Alonso: rumours say he's looking to buy Giant. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 09-07-2014 08:15
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Miguel98 wrote:
Regarding Alonso: rumours say he's looking to buy Giant.
Yeah maybe but hasn't there rumours that Alonso was going to buy 3 or 4 other teams plus one that he was starting one from scratch? I am starting to get tired of Alonso talk, it has been going on since 2010 when Caisse d'Epargne dropped there sponsorship and so far Alonso hasn't done a thing.
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Posted on 09-07-2014 08:17
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Vanbilsen and Van Staeyen (both Topsport) probably go to cofidis
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Posted on 09-07-2014 08:40
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krisa wrote:
Vanbilsen and Van Staeyen (both Topsport) probably go to cofidis
This is a very wise move by Cofidis, they don't really have any classics riders so this would be a good investment |
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Posted on 09-07-2014 09:26
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jihardy wrote:
krisa wrote:
Vanbilsen and Van Staeyen (both Topsport) probably go to cofidis
This is a very wise move by Cofidis, they don't really have any classics riders so this would be a good investment
Senechal is on Cofidis as well, but it's indeed a good move for Vanbilsen and Van Staeyen.
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Posted on 09-07-2014 09:35
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This is a great move for both Cofidis and the riders! |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 09-07-2014 10:54
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Moreno Moser, Elia Viviani, Davide Villella, Davide Formolo, Alberto Bettiol, Alan Marangoni, Kristijan Koren and Matej Mohoric are the riders who have a contract with Canondale for 2015 and would probably join to the team that will be created after Garmin and Canondale merge.
Some good names but also some riders I'm not sure that would be a real asset for current Garmin team. I'm afraid some interesting riders from Garmin may not make it into a new team.
That is also going to be a very young team. Perhaps they'll mostly leave before their reach their peak and are replaced with another youngsters, so Vaughters keeps having on of the youngest teams in WT all the time. 
I wonder what the nationallity of the new team will be. I hope they create something I would like to follow, otherwise I may struggle big time with my cycling interest.
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