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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-03-2014 21:51
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Posted on 22-03-2014 21:51
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issoisso wrote:
The plot thickens. Sky pull yet another top guy.
Wiggins isn't doing Catalunya
I'm truly curious to see Froome and Porte's form in Catalunya, considering they've been pulling riders out of races left right and center since they learned of Henao's blood passport red flag
I'm just guessing of course, but seeing Wiggins can't climb for shit any more, but can still TT like he was expected to (I mean before he went the Aicar way), I reckoned he got pulled from the core G.C. team, the one whose riders "majornally" improve when the others stay at the same level they had before.
This makes me a little curious about why he (specifically he) was pulled out of a race.
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Posted on 22-03-2014 22:08
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Aquarius wrote:
issoisso wrote:
The plot thickens. Sky pull yet another top guy.
Wiggins isn't doing Catalunya
I'm truly curious to see Froome and Porte's form in Catalunya, considering they've been pulling riders out of races left right and center since they learned of Henao's blood passport red flag
I'm just guessing of course, but seeing Wiggins can't climb for shit any more, but can still TT like he was expected to (I mean before he went the Aicar way), I reckoned he got pulled from the core G.C. team, the one whose riders "majornally" improve when the others stay at the same level they had before.
This makes me a little curious about why he (specifically he) was pulled out of a race.
Now where's our army of Sky lovers when we need them to fiercely defend their team ?
If they're like most Sky lovers I've seen in other forums, Sky has gone so far beyond believable they stopped defending them
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
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Posted on 23-03-2014 08:10
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issoisso wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
issoisso wrote:
The plot thickens. Sky pull yet another top guy.
Wiggins isn't doing Catalunya
I'm truly curious to see Froome and Porte's form in Catalunya, considering they've been pulling riders out of races left right and center since they learned of Henao's blood passport red flag
I'm just guessing of course, but seeing Wiggins can't climb for shit any more, but can still TT like he was expected to (I mean before he went the Aicar way), I reckoned he got pulled from the core G.C. team, the one whose riders "majornally" improve when the others stay at the same level they had before.
This makes me a little curious about why he (specifically he) was pulled out of a race.
Now where's our army of Sky lovers when we need them to fiercely defend their team ?
If they're like most Sky lovers I've seen in other forums, Sky has gone so far beyond believable they stopped defending them
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Posted on 23-03-2014 11:37
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Sky managment is like Putin team.. They both think people are just so stupid and they don't know what they are really doing.
And there has no reason to defend..they are just to suspicious |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 23-03-2014 11:57
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I still highly doubt Sky are cheating. |
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Posted on 23-03-2014 12:16
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The Hobbit wrote:
I still highly doubt Sky are cheating.
Oh please, back up your stance with arguments. |
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Posted on 23-03-2014 13:28
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Sometimes I have the feeling UCI seels some races to the Team that pays best its really weird how some riders can go from Mr Nobody to a Grand Tour Winner and then 4 the next Year just like that go back to Mr Nobody like Cobo, Wiggins and Hesjedal among others. |
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Posted on 23-03-2014 16:38
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Aquarius wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
I still highly doubt Sky are cheating.
Oh please, back up your stance with arguments.
Back up yours with evidence and maybe this will be a real discussion for once, instead of you lot mocking people who like Sky when they're the ones with evidence on their sides.
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Posted on 23-03-2014 16:46
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fickman wrote:
Sometimes I have the feeling UCI seels some races to the Team that pays best its really weird how some riders can go from Mr Nobody to a Grand Tour Winner and then 4 the next Year just like that go back to Mr Nobody like Cobo, Wiggins and Hesjedal among others.
Wiggins Nobody? He was 4th in the Tour 3 years before, and a crash kept him out of 2011, he surely could've become 3rd there. And with the ''not so strong'' startlist at the tour of 2012 it wasn't a big suprise. And Hesjedal won the 2011 Giro by being consistent in the mountains and doing a good TT and to be honest only Rodriguez was the real climber there. Especially if De gendt gets 3rd
PS: Just so you know, im not a big fan of Wiggins. Not a big fan of British cycling to be honest. But saying he was a nobody doesn't make sense
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Posted on 23-03-2014 17:05
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The Hobbit wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
I still highly doubt Sky are cheating.
Oh please, back up your stance with arguments.
Back up yours with evidence and maybe this will be a real discussion for once, instead of you lot mocking people who like Sky when they're the ones with evidence on their sides.
Yeah, I mean you've discovered cycling with Sky and now you know it all. They're using marginal gain which more than make it for their opponents' doping, so why would they even need to cheat. They had been misinformed when they signed dubious staff members and riders (unless they weren't even dubious at all ? I'm confused and probably jealous), and there has to be legit reason for Henao's blood values, just like JTL wasn't part of the team when his values got flagged. Now it also makes sense for a team to pull its riders from races here and there, they've probably discovered a new advanced secret in races scheduling for their GT purposes.
Really, only twisted minds could see something wrong there.
I believe I'm going to mix my pineapple juice with tap water now, and go outside run twice faster than before. 
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Posted on 23-03-2014 17:28
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Aquarius wrote:
I believe I'm going to mix my pineapple juice with tap water now, and go outside run twice faster than before.
Be warned, I'll report you to strava if you do that.
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Posted on 23-03-2014 17:35
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The Hobbit wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
I still highly doubt Sky are cheating.
Oh please, back up your stance with arguments.
Back up yours with evidence and maybe this will be a real discussion for once, instead of you lot mocking people who like Sky when they're the ones with evidence on their sides.
For once?!? The Sky thread is full of evidence, whether you see it as conclusive or not, but it's pretty well-detailed. I know you've not been around here long but the reason people no longer go into a lengthy backstory is because it's all been said in so many ways. The only comment is on new information to add to that history. |
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Posted on 23-03-2014 17:36
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Shonak wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I believe I'm going to mix my pineapple juice with tap water now, and go outside run twice faster than before.
Be warned, I'll report you to strava if you do that.
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Posted on 23-03-2014 17:38
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
I still highly doubt Sky are cheating.
Oh please, back up your stance with arguments.
Back up yours with evidence and maybe this will be a real discussion for once, instead of you lot mocking people who like Sky when they're the ones with evidence on their sides.
For once?!? The Sky thread is full of evidence, whether you see it as conclusive or not, but it's pretty well-detailed. I know you've not been around here long but the reason people no longer go into a lengthy backstory is because it's all been said in so many ways. The only comment is on new information to add to that history.
It's so funny when people comment things like that. Better not to rage, just to laugh at the overflow of ignorance.
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Posted on 23-03-2014 17:49
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baseballlover312 wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
I still highly doubt Sky are cheating.
Oh please, back up your stance with arguments.
Back up yours with evidence and maybe this will be a real discussion for once, instead of you lot mocking people who like Sky when they're the ones with evidence on their sides.
For once?!? The Sky thread is full of evidence, whether you see it as conclusive or not, but it's pretty well-detailed. I know you've not been around here long but the reason people no longer go into a lengthy backstory is because it's all been said in so many ways. The only comment is on new information to add to that history.
It's so funny when people comment things like that. Better not to rage, just to laugh at the overflow of ignorance.
Haha, it wasn't really a rage, despite the punctuation I'm not hammering at my keyboard in frustration |
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Posted on 23-03-2014 18:28
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Got to love how everyone who asks for evidence is instantly branded an ignorant Sky lover. I don't even like them, I wouldn't overly care either way if they burned, I even wrote a story about it
@Atlantius: Not evidence, and without evidence, your accusations are just that, and have no weight. I'd be happy enough if they were caught, but till then there is no proof.
@Wackojackohighcliffe: High and thanks for the welcome!!
I did not mean the evidence so much in that, rather the discussion quality. The fact that time and post count are seen as indicators of debating skill is also evidence of this, which is ridiculous. The fact that a Sky fan is considered an ignorant imbecile is even more irritating. You cannot have a real discussion where half of it is made saying things like Baseball has just said.
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Posted on 23-03-2014 18:29
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The Hobbit wrote:
Got to love how everyone who asks for evidence is instantly branded an ignorant Sky lover. I don't even like them, I wouldn't overly care either way if they burned, I even wrote a story about it
@Atlantius: Not evidence, and without evidence, your accusations are just that, and have no weight. I'd be happy enough if they were caught, but till then there is no proof.
@Wackojackohighcliffe: High and thanks for the welcome!!
I did not mean the evidence so much in that, rather the discussion quality. The fact that time and post count are seen as indicators of debating skill is also evidence of this, which is ridiculous. The fact that a Sky fan is considered an ignorant imbecile is even more irritating. You cannot have a real discussion where half of it is made saying things like Baseball has just said.
@BBL: So tempting to say: "Says you". Must resist
Why?
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Posted on 23-03-2014 18:40
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The Hobbit wrote:
Got to love how everyone who asks for evidence is instantly branded an ignorant Sky lover.
Gotta love how Sagan won San Remo today.
Oh I'm sorry I thought we were professing our love of events that exist solely in our imagination
The Hobbit wrote:
I don't even like them, I wouldn't overly care either way if they burned, I even wrote a story about it
Not relevant
The Hobbit wrote:
@Atlantius: Not evidence, and without evidence, your accusations are just that, and have no weight. I'd be happy enough if they were caught, but till then there is no proof.
There is proof and you know that, but response by fans is always 'that doesn't count as evidence so you have none'
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@Wackojackohighcliffe: High and thanks for the welcome!!
"Low" and Behold my response
The Hobbit wrote:
I did not mean the evidence so much in that
Sorry about wacko, he's one of those silly people who sees you've written "evidence" and thinks you're talking evidence. He's a dumbass like that.
The Hobbit wrote:
, rather the discussion quality. The fact that time and post count are seen as indicators of debating skill is also evidence of this, which is ridiculous.
Again, irrelevant. Post count has not been raised in this topic. Time has been raised as a mitigating factor because you might not have been here to see the evidence brought up countless times
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The fact that a Sky fan is considered an ignorant imbecile is even more irritating.
Nice sentence, shame about it not being a fact at all.
Name one person here who considers Alakagom an ignorant imbecile.
So, let's recap. Your position is that there is no evidence any Sky rider has ever doped, am I correct?
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Posted on 23-03-2014 18:45
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The Hobbit wrote:
@Wackojackohighcliffe: High and thanks for the welcome!!
I did not mean the evidence so much in that, rather the discussion quality. The fact that time and post count are seen as indicators of debating skill is also evidence of this, which is ridiculous. The fact that a Sky fan is considered an ignorant imbecile is even more irritating. You cannot have a real discussion where half of it is made saying things like Baseball has just said.
Hope that's not sarcastic but I don't feel the need to welcome everyone onto the site [especially as there's an actual place for that], especially someone with a fairly high post count.
Discussion quality tends to be pretty good once you get into the evidence of it. Isso and Aquarius for example have extraordinary levels of English for people who don't count it as their mother tongue. But flippant remarks are usually met as such.
If you actually cared to read without immediately assuming my position, you'd see that I never claimed you had a lack of debating skill. The comment on your time on the site was clearly in reference to the fact that you might not have seen the countless Sky-based debates where the evidence has already been detailed. I didn't mention your post count as there a lot of members with a lot of posts who are spammers and/or idiots and there are some intelligent ones who post quite rarely.
The fact that a Sky fan who spouts on about how clean and sciencey they are is considered a bit of a muppet is more logical than anything else.
Take issue with baseball about that not me.
Edit: Isso beat me to it. Although I take exception to 'dumbass'.
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