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Tour De France '13 Stage 4: July 2, Nice-Nice
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-07-2013 16:24
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Spoiler ianrussell wrote:
Metriz- wrote:
CountArach wrote:
chrisw_bwfc wrote:
I don't even see (based on their PCM stats :lol  how that OGE time is possible! What a joke.
The team has a lot of track cyclists and has largely been built from the Australian track program. While that isn't where most of the riders here have come from, it does mean that the team structure puts a lot of effort into riding in formation and into the TTT discipline. Strength as a TTist doesn't mean as much as it does in PCM, it is alll about team cohesion (which is why Garmin are brilliant at this discipline usually).
Exactly. Notice how all the teams with great leadout trains also did well today.
Except Argos ofc , but they didn't want to go for it anyway, they just wanted to finish in the time-limit, and finish the TTT with a good feeling, yet saving a bit energy(That's hard, but I guess he means not giving 100% but 90%) for the upcoming days. At least their DS said that in an interview on the Dutch television.
then don't do it
I didn't defend it, I just explained their team plan for today 
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 02-07-2013 16:26
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Jesleyh wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Spoiler ianrussell wrote:
Metriz- wrote:
CountArach wrote:
chrisw_bwfc wrote:
I don't even see (based on their PCM stats :lol how that OGE time is possible! What a joke.
The team has a lot of track cyclists and has largely been built from the Australian track program. While that isn't where most of the riders here have come from, it does mean that the team structure puts a lot of effort into riding in formation and into the TTT discipline. Strength as a TTist doesn't mean as much as it does in PCM, it is alll about team cohesion (which is why Garmin are brilliant at this discipline usually).
Exactly. Notice how all the teams with great leadout trains also did well today.
Except Argos ofc , but they didn't want to go for it anyway, they just wanted to finish in the time-limit, and finish the TTT with a good feeling, yet saving a bit energy(That's hard, but I guess he means not giving 100% but 90%) for the upcoming days. At least their DS said that in an interview on the Dutch television.
then don't do it
I didn't defend it, I just explained their team plan for today
Seems to me that something dutch was mentioned and you needed to say something about it 
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-07-2013 16:28
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
Spoiler ianrussell wrote:
Metriz- wrote:
CountArach wrote:
chrisw_bwfc wrote:
I don't even see (based on their PCM stats :lol how that OGE time is possible! What a joke.
The team has a lot of track cyclists and has largely been built from the Australian track program. While that isn't where most of the riders here have come from, it does mean that the team structure puts a lot of effort into riding in formation and into the TTT discipline. Strength as a TTist doesn't mean as much as it does in PCM, it is alll about team cohesion (which is why Garmin are brilliant at this discipline usually).
Exactly. Notice how all the teams with great leadout trains also did well today.
Except Argos ofc , but they didn't want to go for it anyway, they just wanted to finish in the time-limit, and finish the TTT with a good feeling, yet saving a bit energy(That's hard, but I guess he means not giving 100% but 90%) for the upcoming days. At least their DS said that in an interview on the Dutch television.
then don't do it
I didn't defend it, I just explained their team plan for today
Seems to me that something dutch was mentioned and you needed to say something about it
Yes.
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 02-07-2013 16:34
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Jesleyh wrote:
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Seems to me that something dutch was mentioned and you needed to say something about it
Yes.
The point is, they would have done badly even if they had gone for it, so no need to explain anything.
Edited by Metriz- on 02-07-2013 16:36
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-07-2013 16:37
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True that Metriz.
But this was just horrible. Then, they maybe would've been 20th or 21th 
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| Malkael |
Posted on 02-07-2013 16:48
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Words cannot describe, they just cannot. Nor even the banana emote.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 02-07-2013 16:48
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Malkael wrote:
Words cannot describe, they just cannot. Nor even the banana emote.
Speechless.
Congratulations
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 02-07-2013 17:46
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VdB is in good position after this TTT, only losing time to Froome and Contador. And then people say it's a bad decision from Lotto to send no climbers to the Tour. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-07-2013 17:51
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So, saturday this guy will be in yellow
Edited by issoisso on 02-07-2013 17:53
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| Tjoertszc |
Posted on 02-07-2013 18:06
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issoisso wrote:
So, saturday this guy will be in yellow
And I reckon that Thursday we will see Impey in yellow?
Gerrans at 32 stage classifications (not including TTT) total with Impey at 41 total. |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 02-07-2013 18:09
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
VdB is in good position after this TTT, only losing time to Froome and Contador. And then people say it's a bad decision from Lotto to send no climbers to the Tour.
There's only one short TTT, while there are six mountain stages.
Those few seconds he gained today can easily be lost starting this Saturday if he gets isolated. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-07-2013 19:52
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Jesleyh wrote:
Malkael wrote:
Words cannot describe, they just cannot. Nor even the banana emote.
Speechless.
Congratulations
For being Australian ? Great achievement, kudos, you really dug yourself to get that one. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 02-07-2013 19:53
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ianrussell wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
So biggest GC losers today? (my loose, vague interpretation):
Fuglsang +56
Rolland +1:13
Navarro +1:20
Froome and Contador happiest of all with solid times and no yellow to defend.
Probably Valverde would've taken that before today too at just +16.
I'd say Rodriguez is thewinner of the podium contenders today. The best timetrialist in his team is Kristoff. And they are riding on canyon bikes. He was probably expecting to lose a lot more.
Lampre did very well also! 
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 02-07-2013 19:56
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Spilak23 wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
So biggest GC losers today? (my loose, vague interpretation):
Fuglsang +56
Rolland +1:13
Navarro +1:20
Froome and Contador happiest of all with solid times and no yellow to defend.
Probably Valverde would've taken that before today too at just +16.
I'd say Rodriguez is thewinner of the podium contenders today. The best timetrialist in his team is Kristoff. And they are riding on canyon bikes. He was probably expecting to lose a lot more.
Lampre did very well also!
What have Canyon bikes to do with their performance?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-07-2013 19:57
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CountArach wrote:
chrisw_bwfc wrote:
I don't even see (based on their PCM stats :lol  how that OGE time is possible! What a joke.
The team has a lot of track cyclists and has largely been built from the Australian track program. While that isn't where most of the riders here have come from, it does mean that the team structure puts a lot of effort into riding in formation and into the TTT discipline. Strength as a TTist doesn't mean as much as it does in PCM, it is alll about team cohesion (which is why Garmin are brilliant at this discipline usually).
That, plus if I may add, explosive riders (sprinters and climbers) are usually an useful addition to the team because of their ability to change pace.
ITT's performance mostly depends on a power and position factor of course, but also about how steady the delivered power is.
TTT performance rather depends on the ability of riders to increase their power many times for a few dozen of seconds and to cope with the decreasing power during a minute or so. Very different effort, especially with large teams like there are in Grand Tours. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 02-07-2013 20:06
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felix_29 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
So biggest GC losers today? (my loose, vague interpretation):
Fuglsang +56
Rolland +1:13
Navarro +1:20
Froome and Contador happiest of all with solid times and no yellow to defend.
Probably Valverde would've taken that before today too at just +16.
I'd say Rodriguez is thewinner of the podium contenders today. The best timetrialist in his team is Kristoff. And they are riding on canyon bikes. He was probably expecting to lose a lot more.
Lampre did very well also!
What have Canyon bikes to do with their performance?
I think its more that the others are on Pinarello's and Specialized's
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 02-07-2013 20:06
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issoisso wrote:
So, saturday this guy will be in yellow
I got surprised it didn't happen already today..... |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 02-07-2013 20:13
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felix_29 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
ianrussell wrote:
So biggest GC losers today? (my loose, vague interpretation):
Fuglsang +56
Rolland +1:13
Navarro +1:20
Froome and Contador happiest of all with solid times and no yellow to defend.
Probably Valverde would've taken that before today too at just +16.
I'd say Rodriguez is thewinner of the podium contenders today. The best timetrialist in his team is Kristoff. And they are riding on canyon bikes. He was probably expecting to lose a lot more.
Lampre did very well also!
What have Canyon bikes to do with their performance?
Not really top quality compared to Specialized, Pinarello or Cervelo
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 02-07-2013 20:13
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Aquarius wrote:
CountArach wrote:
chrisw_bwfc wrote:
I don't even see (based on their PCM stats :lol how that OGE time is possible! What a joke.
The team has a lot of track cyclists and has largely been built from the Australian track program. While that isn't where most of the riders here have come from, it does mean that the team structure puts a lot of effort into riding in formation and into the TTT discipline. Strength as a TTist doesn't mean as much as it does in PCM, it is alll about team cohesion (which is why Garmin are brilliant at this discipline usually).
That, plus if I may add, explosive riders (sprinters and climbers) are usually an useful addition to the team because of their ability to change pace.
ITT's performance mostly depends on a power and position factor of course, but also about how steady the delivered power is.
TTT performance rather depends on the ability of riders to increase their power many times for a few dozen of seconds and to cope with the decreasing power during a minute or so. Very different effort, especially with large teams like there are in Grand Tours.
Yeah, ITT is all about riding just on the limit. TTT is all about riding just over the limit then recovering quickly.
Most the Orica team are pretty good in a Scratch race. And TTT a very similar disipline in what they require of you. Stamina, burst pace and high recovery.
Omega are so good because of this. They generally have 2-3 anchors (Martin and their other awesome TT guys) and then a big old sprint train. The sprinters are able to get the speeds up very quick before the TT guys take a long burst whilst the sprinters recover for the next burst. People will always talk about Martin when OPQ win TTTs, but Cavendish is probably one the best TTTers in the world. |
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