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SotD
Makes perfect sense to keep Vansevenant (obviously) and Groenewegen as thay are the only riders worth building around. Olivier can have another year at max in PT, while De Bie might not be significantly worse after immidiate decline, but it makes sense to see if you can keep the leaders core based around riders not declining in the 1st or 2nd season of PT (Which I obviously think you'll get to).
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Fabianski
Groenewegen would've been cool to make a bid for, but I guess I'll have to compete for Manninen with the big bunch then Pfft

Might still be interested in one of the "Maybe"s, though - I'm sure we'll talk anyway, not so sure whether there will be an outcome Wink
 
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Fabianski wrote:
Groenewegen would've been cool to make a bid for, but I guess I'll have to compete for Manninen with the big bunch then Pfft

Might still be interested in one of the "Maybe"s, though - I'm sure we'll talk anyway, not so sure whether there will be an outcome Wink


I'm sure Coquard is looking from above Pfft
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Fabianski
SotD wrote:
I'm sure Coquard is looking from above Pfft


Yeah, but Coquard has almost twice Groenewegen's/Manninen's wage - bring him down to 600k and I'll take him Pfft
 
roturn
Team Presentation 2023


Nat.NameFLMOHITTSTRSRCCBSPACFGDHPRXPAge
Daan Olivier728176697680775964717071694.10031
Mauri Vansevenant737378697777706269787870714.5724
Dylan Groenewegen736167647471855982815964724.10030
Nathan Van Hooydonck736371727574698161726467724.10028
Steff Cras687872737877775860676167704.10027
Harm Vanhoucke717772727172766367687270734.10026
Michael Matthews755864637065716578776463634.10033
Nico Denz717476677070706563737165714.10029
Arvid De Kleijn706175607171766674756464674.10029
Taco Van der Hoorn756070557669607556668466524.10030
Michael Vingerling705461647165746778785667754.10033
Ludovic Robeet766167617275657467697769674.10029
Jasper Bovenhuis735871597470727462687965594.10032
Michel Hessmann706765717367675360676775691.022
Rick Pluimers686066607073646467656962631.2023
on loan:
Yacob Debesay656872596969706263727165593.8924
Dorde Duric686069607172697164706571592.023
Alexis Renard736168666774666668686966683.2924
Roel van Sintmaartensdijk716163666767676363706362661.022
Finn Fisher-Black626364626569626059716967721.022


2023 was a small rebuild only as the main goal is the direct promotion to PT and so the needed wage cap was reached by letting our top riders Sean De Bie and Tim Wellens go. This basically was the main part of our transfers as they were replaced with loan ins and two young talents.
Though also a small change has been made later on, which sees long term rider Giovanni Carboni join another team for more chances on his own.

Climbers

The mountains are all about Daan Olivier. Riding with us for almost 10 years now, he will be our top guy for any climbing races. His hybrid skills though might also see him in couple of classics and hillier events.
He is often supported by the duo Steff Cras/Harm Vanhoucke. The Belgians have a small advantage in TT heavier races and might have a chance themselves here and there. For both it`s the first season on full potential and it will be interesting to see how they do.

Sprinters

One of the most consistent riders in our team for many years on any level. Dylan Groenewegen is our second Dutch leader and should be one of the very best on PCT level. He can win basically any race on the flat and has shown to do so couple of times. His support team is mainly new with us as both Michael Matthews/Michael Vingerling joined on minimum wages from FA. While the Dutch was in fact aim for couple seasons already, the Australian has been given a 1-year deal to help in our promotion run. Last but not least Arvid De Kleijn must be named as punchy sprinter and often there for the flat support as well.

Cobblers

Nathan Van Hooydonck is the lucky one. He had a good winter training camp and has improved on the cobbles. He should be a top5 cobbler in the division and can hopefully take a win or two and more important become a consistent scorer.
His support team is basically same as before in the trio Robeet/Bovenhuis/Van der Hoorn.

Puncheurs

Clearly the team won`t have the dominant puncheur as we had in the last couple years. But therefore a young prospect, not yet on full potential but already giving us a lot of opportunities. Mauri Vansevenant is a future great and combines a great punch on smaller hills with a very decent ability to also climb some longer uphill sections. He is supposed to learn this season but also go for couple results and showing a great spirit all season. The hybrid races might suit him best in 2023, while we see great potential for him in the years to come. With Barbin also leaving, the main support in the hills has changed a bit as Nico Denz is now the hybrid support needed, while also De Kleijn clearly can be named in addition to his sprinter tasks.

Talents

The team added two young prospects of which Michel Hessmann stands out a bit. Not yet 100% decided, what way he is going in the next years but his main strength is the ride against the clock and this comes with a big engine and also some decent uphill skills. Rick Pluimers joined as final and only 20th rider to the team late in transfers. His talent might not be as big as others, but we see some potential as allrounder and good support guy for different terrains.

Loaned In

Five young talents join us for one season only and will fill our rosters mainly. Some of them can already contribute nicely and should be of nice support such as Debesay for the hilly events or Duric on the cobbles. Renard/van Sintmaartensdijk will surely be seen couple times in the chasing trains while Fisher-Black is a decent prologue specialist but as youngest of our riders in 2023 he has still a lot to learn as well.

Goal

Clearly reaching the top5! Therefore we must show strength with our leaders surely. Olivier and Van Hooydonck must come back to scoring levels in PCT, while Groenewegen is expected to do well and Vansevenant is a questionmark with lots of potential to already score regularly.
Cras and Vanhoucke just like our cobbled depth and Denz have lots of opportunities to show themselves and shine here and there, including some of those in C2.
 
baseballlover312
Van Hooydonck training is very cool to see. He should be great in PCT now. And hopefully only in PCT. Angry
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Fabianski
Unlike bbl, I can't really see anything cool about that training Pfft
Obviously puts him another level higher, but I do hope that Theuns' superior hills and sprint skills will still see him ahead most of the times Pfft

Given that relegation was extremely unlucky - and unlikely - last year, I don't see how you wouldn't bounce back with this squad. You've got three terrains covered with a high-level PCT leader, and I guess Vansevenant could often kick the asses of some better pure puncheurs as well with his great acc & ftr stats. As far as I see, he's got the highest OVL of all unmaxed riders, which - while the OVL is clearly skewed for puncheurs - should say something about his scoring potential as well.
Your only weakness - and not a small one, to be honest - are TTs, where you might lose quite some points in PCT. But I'm sure you found a way to navigate around most TT events, so that still shouldn't hold you back too much Smile
Looking forward to some nice Mauri vs. Mauro battles in the future, but already this year I guess!
 
Luis Leon Sanchez
A very solid team that should be in the fight for promotion but there are some little areas which I’d have a bit of concern.

Unfortunately Olivier not so great in TTs but the calendar should have enough for him to avoid too many of them. I’d expect Cras to score some solid depth points for you in Stage Races too.

I do like young Mauri but we’ll have to see what kind of results he can bring you in what is going to be a very competitive PCT division in that terrain. I’d expect a few surprise results from him though!

Dylan obviously one of, if not, the best Sprinters in the division. My only concern for you is his support. I’d expect your team should be tasked with putting together lead out trains but with 2 sprinters lacking energy back ups and no real TT/FLA beasts, it’ll be interesting to see how the team and Dylan adapt.

Van Hooydonck was sometimes frustrating to report on last season as it always felt like he had more in the tank but tactically would just get it wrong. I’d expect he sorts that out this season and he should be very good for you, especially with that training!

Overall, a team that should be up there in the fight! Good luck and race well Smile
 
redordead
It's a very good team, but it feels very top heavy and those teams haven't been the best in recent memory. But if Mauri is good then all terrains except TTs are well covered. Olivier is the clear MO leader now which means he should be planned optimally.

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roturn
baseballlover312 wrote:
Van Hooydonck training is very cool to see. He should be great in PCT now. And hopefully only in PCT. Angry

Sure. Well. Not in all my wildcards... :lol:
I expect him to show himself a bit better than last year now.

Fabianski wrote:
Unlike bbl, I can't really see anything cool about that training Pfft
Obviously puts him another level higher, but I do hope that Theuns' superior hills and sprint skills will still see him ahead most of the times Pfft

Given that relegation was extremely unlucky - and unlikely - last year, I don't see how you wouldn't bounce back with this squad. You've got three terrains covered with a high-level PCT leader, and I guess Vansevenant could often kick the asses of some better pure puncheurs as well with his great acc & ftr stats. As far as I see, he's got the highest OVL of all unmaxed riders, which - while the OVL is clearly skewed for puncheurs - should say something about his scoring potential as well.
Your only weakness - and not a small one, to be honest - are TTs, where you might lose quite some points in PCT. But I'm sure you found a way to navigate around most TT events, so that still shouldn't hold you back too much Smile
Looking forward to some nice Mauri vs. Mauro battles in the future, but already this year I guess!

I hope so at least. The leaders are all in top3-5 ranges terrain wise. Olivier obviously depends on planning and how to avoid the TT races. Vansevenant also a lot is working out in the planning part as he won`t stand a big chance on many pure hill events vs. the 80+ puncheurs, but his backup stats and better mountain skills, might see him go for couple top10s here and there on the more hybrid but hill prone stages. Surely I would be disappointed, if he can`t really show himself a few times already this season.

Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
A very solid team that should be in the fight for promotion but there are some little areas which I’d have a bit of concern.

Unfortunately Olivier not so great in TTs but the calendar should have enough for him to avoid too many of them. I’d expect Cras to score some solid depth points for you in Stage Races too.

I do like young Mauri but we’ll have to see what kind of results he can bring you in what is going to be a very competitive PCT division in that terrain. I’d expect a few surprise results from him though!

Dylan obviously one of, if not, the best Sprinters in the division. My only concern for you is his support. I’d expect your team should be tasked with putting together lead out trains but with 2 sprinters lacking energy back ups and no real TT/FLA beasts, it’ll be interesting to see how the team and Dylan adapt.

Van Hooydonck was sometimes frustrating to report on last season as it always felt like he had more in the tank but tactically would just get it wrong. I’d expect he sorts that out this season and he should be very good for you, especially with that training!

Overall, a team that should be up there in the fight! Good luck and race well Smile

Olivier surely is happy to be in PCT, where you can find ways to avoid the TTs different to all the TT heavy races in PT, Cras though a questionmark. He is not as good as many others, but I hope you are right, that he will show up couple times.

Agree on the other leaders. In especially Dylan should step up or continue to perform as he did last year. He should be one of the top2-3 top favourites in most races he is in, for sure in C1/HC but also in any PTHC event he can fight for the win. Support is always a gamble. Obviously Matthews/Vingerling are no perfect leadouts but as it`s PCM, you never know anyway.

redordead wrote:
It's a very good team, but it feels very top heavy and those teams haven't been the best in recent memory. But if Mauri is good then all terrains except TTs are well covered. Olivier is the clear MO leader now which means he should be planned optimally.

I agree, the depth behind the top isn`t as scoring able and the lack of TT riders might hurt. Though as said above, planning this in PCT is at least not too bad as you can avoid a lot of races or a single terrain fully. And while the recent top heavy teams struggled, I hope to still be around the top in the end as I hope it`s a bit different being top heavy on multiple terrains at least.

Time will tell, but ideally the team is off to a good start and can take the mood till the season end.
 
whitejersey
I think promotion should be a clear lock for this team, but obviously Groenewegen in the sprints will be a bit random even though he should have a season comparable to Jonas Ahlstrand last year, but as others have said some leadout issues could be present depending on how the races are ridden.

Olivier could be the scorer that lacks a little bit when push comes to show, on paper he's a great rider and he has a few races that really should suit him perfectly well but he could end up lacking scoring opportunities in some PTHC races. His lack of ability in terms of creating opportunities for himself with his low fighter and acceleration could also be a big hindrance for top end scoring.

Van Hooydonck is going to cost me a ton of points this year as I believe we share at least two PTHC bands and his training makes perfect sense!

Mauri Vansevenant should score very close to what Meurisse did last year, if not more due to U25 eligibilty. Only issue wíth the U25 is that Rob Stannard probably will take most of the white jerseys in the hills races I'd fear.
 
roturn
@whitejersey: Let`s hope you are right. Ideally not as much randomness with Groenewegen and as much consistency for the leaders in general.

2023 Calendar


Quite typical for the team, the season becomes very important in the last 1-2 months as lots of PTHC racing will take place in that period. Ideally the team is already in a good position by then and can then take profit from having more scoring opportunities left than others.

And while the relegation meant, no season start in Tasmania, we decided to still stay in Down Under after the training camp and perform in the Classic and Tour Down Under to hopefully start nicely into the season in some of our favourite races.

Leader wise Olivier takes some time to start his season and then having a balanced schedule for the rest of the year while Vansevenant is opposite having a nice early schedule but then being pretty much done at halftime except for some events.
Groenewegen and Van Hooydonck are racing all year around and should see lots of opporunities to win.

StartEndRaceCategory
09-Jan Down Under ClassicHC
13-Jan18-Jan Tour Down UnderC1
17-Jan22-Jan Tour of QatarPT
25-Jan27-Jan Hong Kong ChallengeC1
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01-Feb08-Feb Volta a PortugalPTHC
04-Feb Omloop Het NieuwsbladHC
06-Feb Gent - WevelgemC2
10-Feb Le SamynHC
22-Feb26-Feb Circulo de JuarezHC
26-Feb Kuurne - Bruxelles - KuurneC1
28-Feb Milano - San RemoPTM
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01-Mar Geraardsbergen - BosbergC2
11-Mar16-Mar Vuelta a ColombiaPTHC
17-Mar20-Mar Tour of GuadeloupeC1
18-Mar Strade BiancheHC
22-Mar27-Mar Tour of South AfricaHC
30-Mar GP IzolaC2
30-Mar Lillestrom GPC1
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01-Apr Paris - RoubaixPTM
06-Apr10-Apr Baltic Chain TourC1
12-Apr18-Apr Tour de PologneHC
20-Apr Badaling InternationalC1
28-Apr Lisbon ClassicHC
30-Apr Amstel Gold RacePT
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01-May Cheshire Cycling TourPTHC
03-May Fleche WallonnePT
13-May16-May Tour of LithuaniaPTHC
19-May 1 Jour de DunkerqueC1
27-May31-May Tour of NorwayHC
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01-Jun02-Jun Franceville ClassiquePTHC
01-Jun Hanko ClassicC1
04-Jun Pro Hallstatt ClassicHC
05-Jun08-Jun Tour of East JavaPTHC
18-Jun Frankfurt EschbornC1
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01-Jul Torshavn GPC1
03-Jul06-Jul Arab TourHC
09-Jul11-Jul Tour of EritreaC1
13-Jul18-Jul Benelux ChallengeHC
20-Jul Paris ToursC1
25-Jul29-Jul Tour d'AndorraC1
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10-Aug15-Aug Tour du MarocC1
11-Aug15-Aug Post Danmark RundtHC
17-Aug Chrono des HerbiersPT
19-Aug East Midlands Cicle ClassicPT
20-Aug GP KigaliC1
23-Aug31-Aug Tour de l'AvenirU23
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01-Sep05-Sep Tour of BritainC1
02-Sep Riga - Jurmala GPPTHC
08-Sep13-Sep Balkans InternationalPTHC
15-Sep21-Sep Tour of Northern EuropePT
24-Sep Chrono d'ArenbergPTHC
26-Sep Rheden GPPTHC
28-Sep Milano - TorinoC1
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01-Oct06-Oct Tour of JapanHC
09-Oct Grand Prix Cycliste de QuébecPTHC
13-Oct Japan CupPTHC
18-Oct Giro dell'EmiliaHC


Season Goals


Team Standings - WIN

Well, the obvious. We want to promote, we must promote, why not go for the win? Last time down in PCT we quickly cane up again by taking the title in a very close duel with Gazelle (iirc).

Circulo de Juaraz - Win

Groenewegen loves any races with flat stages. He is going to go for the win in Mexico. He has done so already in several similar races and consistency always was a big strength of him.

Riga - Jurmala GP Top5

Same here. No matter the competition, Groenewegen usually was a clear shot for a top5 in flat classics. And while the goal probably is to win, the PTHC sees stronger competition and top5 it is.

Balkans International - Top5

Olivier lacks the TT skills of other stage racers but is pretty solid on shorter climbs as well. Balkans used to be a hybrid race in the past and the attempt to win it with puncheur De Bie failed twice. This year we remain to focus the event but it`s Olivier to do so.

Tour of Japan - Top5

Down in HC, the competition is probably a bit less strong. The Tour of Japan should suit Olivier again, no long TT, a bit of hills, a bit of climbing. The top5 seems realistic.

Conclusion

In total the goals are not easy with 2x PTHC and 2x HC but the team will send strong squads to reach this.
Post transfers I probably had swapped them a bit and also went for a Van Hooydonck goal in HC, but pre transfers it was safer to go for the sprinter/stage racer goals as it was always clear, that those two rider types would remain to 100%. In comparison to last year we avoided the hill goals as Vansevenant is still one year away from full strength plus we had very bad experience with it in 2022.
 
Nemolito
Ambitious goals with only wins and top 5-s, but definitely got a team to go for them I think. Also don't mind not seeing Ras on your calendar Smile
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Fabianski
Indeed a bit surprising to not see any cobbled races among your goals, but going for two flat ones instead. Groenewegen should be the right rider for those, though - would've loved to get him because of his great consistency.
Oliver in Balkans is also kind of a gamble - a pure puncheur didn't work out for you, now trying with a climber - we'll see how it goes. He should definitely beat my riders there, though Pfft
Japan on the other hand should be a good call for him - if even Quintana could win it two years ago, Oliver should do well for sure!

And winning the team standings is the least surprising goal - I do indeed think you've got the best leaders of any team, the depth will decide on whether it's enough to top the 2023 PCT class.
 
roturn
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Nat.NameFLMOHITTCBSPACXPAge Wage OldDiff.Transfer?
Mauri Vansevenant747480696270804.10025 570.000 345000 225.000 no
Daan Olivier728176695964714.10032 530.000 430000 100.000 maybe
Dylan Groenewegen736167645982814.10031 420.000 385000 35.000 maybe
Nathan Van Hooydonck736371728161724.10029 250.000 150000 100.000 no
Steff Cras687872735860674.10028 150.000 125000 25.000 no
Harm Vanhoucke717772726367684.10027 100.000 85000 15.000 no
Nico Denz717476676563734.10030 65.000 650000maybe
Arvid De Kleijn706175606674754.10030 60.000 600000maybe
Taco Van der Hoorn756070557556664.10031 60.000 600000no
Ludovic Robeet766167617467694.10030 50.000 55000-5.000 no
Michel Hessmann707067745360673.3023 175.000 315000-140.000 no


Vansevenant maxed out last offseason and now asks for the big money, even a bit more than I was hoping but his allround skills obviously boost his OVL quite a lot.
And then there are Olivier, Groenewegen and Hooydonck, who all had solid seasons in the PCT and want a bit more after their wage reduction after a weaker 2022 performance.

The support team around Vanhoucke and Cras for the mountains or Van der Hoorn and Robeet for the cobbles remain similar, just like alrounders Denz and De Kleijn, while the only talent left in Hessmann luckily asked for a lot less, despite still being quite overpriced.


Regarding transfers the team might be in need to rebuild a bit. Just 11 riders left means, we need to do our job to form a PT worthy squad around new star Vansevenant and cobbler Van Hooydonck, while a change in long term duo Olivier/Groenewegen could be considered. They are no longer absolute guaranteed to stay. Seeing the team slowly changing Nations in the leadership, question is how the sponsor reacts once the transfer season is over and a full picture of the new squad is there.
 
jandal7
Wow looking trimmed! Similar to us I guess but certainly have better PT ready leaders. Having those guys already and then over a million in cap space, even if it is for 9 riders, is a very scary team coming up from PCT Grin
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AbhishekLFC
Indeed as jandal mentioned, that's a lot of space to play with, despite already having solid leaders for PT. Looking forward to see a major rebuild for your team after ages.
 
kandesbunzler26
That's a rather slim line-up numbers wise but with good quality. I'm curious how you build on this foundation.
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Vansevenant is a really cool rider and very strong even without extensive training. The shortened stat table really does no justice to him.
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redordead
A very solid base to bring into PT. Need to supplement it with another leader or more depth, but also Vansevenant kinda needs to perform to justify that wage.

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