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Le Tour de France 2014 - Stage 4 - Le Touquet-Paris-Plage / Lille Métropole
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-07-2014 06:50
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Kittel-Demare-Greipel-Sagan-Coquard , top 5 
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 07:12
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Kittel to win, and Sagan to move into Yellow if it's windy - 2 seconds can easily be gained in the sprint. |
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| weirdskyfan64 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 07:46
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I think, especially if crosswinds hit, that the chase will be fairly disorganised, so day for the break- (please insert any French rider).
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| Conardo |
Posted on 08-07-2014 08:48
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its to hilly for Kittel, maybe Degenkolb, but he looks forward for the cobllestone stage tomorrow, i think.
So, Sagan. maybe Demare. I bet my money on Sagan. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 09:36
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Conardo wrote:
its to hilly for Kittel, maybe Degenkolb, but he looks forward for the cobllestone stage tomorrow, i think.
So, Sagan. maybe Demare. I bet my money on Sagan.
lol pls last 51 km is pancake flat its not like those "hills" are near the finish line so only echelons can make Kittel not win this.
And yeah Avin Sagan lost his speed. He used to beat Greipel in 2012 in a flat stage out and out sprint. Now he cant even beat GVA and Kwiatkowski but youre a fanboy so obviously everything your beloved Peter does is amazing so I don't expect you for a second to agree with me. Cannondale do a great job of dropping him on Kittel's wheel so he doesnt fall off the cliff when other sprinter start sprint and thats the truth of it.
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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 08-07-2014 09:40
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Kittel is too strong...
I think he will win mostly of flat stages... but Sagan will get green jersey
(Yes, I put my PCM$ on Kittel for stage 4 and for Sagan for green jersey)
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-07-2014 09:46
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Conardo wrote:
its to hilly for Kittel, maybe Degenkolb, but he looks forward for the cobllestone stage tomorrow, i think.
So, Sagan. maybe Demare. I bet my money on Sagan.
lol pls last 51 km is pancake flat its not like those "hills" are near the finish line so only echelons can make Kittel not win this.
And yeah Avin Sagan lost his speed. He used to beat Greipel in 2012 in a flat stage out and out sprint. Now he cant even beat GVA and Kwiatkowski but youre a fanboy so obviously everything your beloved Peter does is amazing so I don't expect you for a second to agree with me. Cannondale do a great job of dropping him on Kittel's wheel so he doesnt fall off the cliff when other sprinter start sprint and thats the truth of it.
Sure.
Last time you claimed anything about Sagan, it was about his inability to compete for top5 in a flat sprint at Tour to come, because Coquard, Demare and Kristoff will crush him. We all can see how it is with that and now you have another excuse why he is there. So bitch please. 
I dont think everything he does is amazing, but i am glad that he is doing what i expected from him, getting constant top5 placements right from the start of Tour.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-07-2014 10:08
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Riis123 wrote:
I think it was a good change, kinda. It could definetely be polished, but seeing more or less 'no names' in the polka at Champs makes me sad.
You must be living a pretty happy life then, seeing how Charteau is the only 'no name' winning it in like... ever. 
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Don't know about the classification yet, I'll wait with judgement until the real mountain starts or end. Euskaltel - Euskadi is gone, so a huge factor in those tactical KoM sprints falls away. Also, those little bugger climbs hardly matter in the end anyway. I don't like seeing the GC contenders casually picking it up though either (much like Valv321), but would prefer a guy like Rolland or Pinot going for it, you know a great pure climber with GC outsider chances.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 10:17
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As far as I remember, it was changed in 2011 after 2 years with winners who couldnt follow the 20 best in the mountains which was the right thing to do. Pellizotti wasnt at his best at all (allthough he isnt a 'no name' but nowhere near to compeat with the the best in the mountains), yet he was still winning it due the rules. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 08-07-2014 10:20
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valverde321 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
Why did they ruin the mountain system? Why did they create a system with so little points. I like it better if there are 5,3,1 for even the smallest categories to create some more battle for the hilly sprint. Then increase the high mountains to 50.
Why do you need 100 points to win the mountain jersey buth 400 points to win the sprint jersey?
I think it was a good change, kinda. It could definetely be polished, but seeing more or less 'no names' in the polka at Champs makes me sad. Its very hard to get the polka dot jersey now if you arent a top-5 climber (maybe a little too hard), but the change was definetely imo for the better as it before almost was a contest for getting in breakaways the most, where as it now who really CAN climb with the best.
I would like to see a change as well (little higher points and to make it a little easier for GOOD climbers such as Rolland and those type of guys to grab it).
Well it made for more exciting stages for sure. I remember Kohl attacking and making the early parts of stages interesting, and then he still managed to keep up with the GC riders later on, although it was later found out why Pellizotti the year after that. They only changed it because Charteau won it, but he really did do a great job of climbing when he did. I mean its actually more interesting imo, because a guy like Charteau cant get the most points on a tough climb, so someone that is chasing him in the polka dot rankings and is a pure climber would make up for lost points there and Charteau would have to go on the attack to defend his jersey the best he could, kind of like how Hushovd won the green jersey a couple years ago.
It made getting in the early stages breakaways kind of important because you could get more than a 2 or 3 point lead and actually have a chance at defending it when you get to the first mountain stage.
But meh, if the ASO would rather have some GC rider win it, while not even trying to get it, thanks to double points on the final climb and so on, then theres not much that can be done. 2012's KOM fight was pretty good actually, so I think my argument is too biased towards last year. Hopefully its better this year.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, it's just that 2012 only had 3 mountain-top finishes with none of those being on HC climbs so it was a route that favoured the attackers for the KoM - I reckon we'd have to see another similar route to have a KoM fight like two years ago.
The new Giro system seemed to work very well this year - Arredondo was a deserved winner as he attacked often and climbed well throughout, but his large margin over Quintana was basically because the break won on most of the mountain stages.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-07-2014 10:59
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Stromeon wrote:
The new Giro system seemed to work very well this year - Arredondo was a deserved winner as he attacked often and climbed well throughout, but his large margin over Quintana was basically because the break won on most of the mountain stages.
Yes, I think so too. Arredondo did a great Giro, especially since he crashed early in the Giro and lost huge chunks of time if I remember correctly. No doubt he would have been even further ahead in GC and even more active if it wasn't for it.
Edited by Shonak on 08-07-2014 11:00
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:20
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Fränk Schlecks' sister, Andy, wont start today because of the crash yesterday. I dont know what I should make of that..... |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:21
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Fucking hell, maaaaaaaan. Fuck this shit.
Edited by admirschleck on 08-07-2014 12:26
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| Roextro |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:22
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admirschleck wrote:
Fucking hell, maaaaaaaan. Fuck this shit.
Wow that is a real shame, I hope Frank can still complete the tour |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:27
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That was quite predictable, wasn't it?
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:30
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No Andy jokes in the mountains then? 
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| cio93 |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:37
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Another victim of stupid spectators...
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:37
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Shonak wrote:
No Andy jokes in the mountains then?
lol
Edited by gotlandrules on 08-07-2014 12:38
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:40
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Only thing Andy is a victim of is his own lazyness and stupidity =) |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-07-2014 12:41
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I thought he would at least make it to the second week before pulling out...
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