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valverde321 wrote:
If any American race is going to be World Tour it should be USA Pro Challenge. With the right route, it would be able to bring a lot more mountains and I think with that, a lot more real challengers. The Tour of California is great the way it is, because most PT teams send weaker squads, seeing as they have to come half way around the world pretty much, to a race with a rolling terrain for the most part. The weaker PT riders, allows for the top PCT and CT teams to bring their best riders and we usually get a pretty wide open race because of that.


its getting a lot bigger though, Sagan goes every year now as well as TVG and others
 
nacho63
mb2612 wrote:
Cali would be a worse race in the WT because of the drop in domestic teams. ToB is probably the same, but as it hasn't even been HC yet there is no rush to find out.


It has and Ride London Classic is also 1.HC now
 
admirschleck
emre99 wrote:
To drop continental teams and replace them with all pro tour licensed teams. Also there will be more points to the uci rankijng and see top riders of all teams. That doesn't make it more great?


No, because "smaller" CT and PCT teams are sending their very best squads in these 2.HC races and it can become really interesting (just remember AToC 2013 and Mancebo/Acevedo). If these races become UWT, the teams will just send in some domestique sqauds which aren't very good and can't bring us the fun that these "smaller" teams do with their best squads, so yup, it doesn't make it more great.
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emre99
admirschleck wrote:
emre99 wrote:
To drop continental teams and replace them with all pro tour licensed teams. Also there will be more points to the uci rankijng and see top riders of all teams. That doesn't make it more great?


No, because "smaller" CT and PCT teams are sending their very best squads in these 2.HC races and it can become really interesting (just remember AToC 2013 and Mancebo/Acevedo). If these races become UWT, the teams will just send in some domestique sqauds which aren't very good and can't bring us the fun that these "smaller" teams do with their best squads, so yup, it doesn't make it more great.


But if we look at the UCI licended teams it makes a lot of difference...

Here is an example: One side there is Pais Vasco the other side there's Giro del Tirentino

Pais Vasco : Valverde,Contador,Betancur,Costa,Pinot,VdB,Mollema and L.L.Sanches (Caja Rujal)

Giro Del Tirentino: (%95 of squads revealed) : Scarponi,Pozzovivo,Anton,Basso,Evans.
Edited by emre99 on 15-04-2014 20:47
 
Kentaurus
its getting a lot bigger though, Sagan goes every year now as well as TVG and others


TVG isn't going to defend his title this year. Focusing on TDF. Velits is going to be team leader for BMC.
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baseballlover312
emre99 wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
emre99 wrote:
To drop continental teams and replace them with all pro tour licensed teams. Also there will be more points to the uci rankijng and see top riders of all teams. That doesn't make it more great?


No, because "smaller" CT and PCT teams are sending their very best squads in these 2.HC races and it can become really interesting (just remember AToC 2013 and Mancebo/Acevedo). If these races become UWT, the teams will just send in some domestique sqauds which aren't very good and can't bring us the fun that these "smaller" teams do with their best squads, so yup, it doesn't make it more great.


But if we look at the UCI licended teams it makes a lot of difference...

Here is an example: One side there is Pais Vasco the other side there's Giro del Tirentino

Pais Vasco : Valverde,Contador,Betancur,Costa,Pinot,VdB,Mollema and L.L.Sanches (Caja Rujal)

Giro Del Tirentino: (%95 of squads revealed) : Scarponi,Pozzovivo,Anton,Basso,Evans.


They are also placed at different times. Pais Vasco is great to start building Ardennes form while Trentino conflicts with Fleche.
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sutty68
The WT should have just one race only from each Country, then it would be a real World Tour Wink
 
welker3257
I'd say none of these, Omloop and Paris-Tours should be WT, the calendar doesn't need to expand, but shrink. They should drop Bejing, TDU, and the Canadian Classics and add those two.
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fosforgasXIII
PARIS-TOURS! It's one of the oldest one day races (older than some monuments) but it seems sadly to be a forgotten race. If there's one HC race that I want to become WT it's that one.

In case WT becomes too crowded just drop those Canadian and Chinese races no one gives a damn about if it weren't for those valuable WT points (maybe Enecotour as well). I think it's good for some races to not have every WT-team at the start to destroy the entire field.

Take Tour of California for example. It's a great race, and it has grown all by itself, it isn't some forced internationalisation by the UCI like Tour of Bejing or so. It deserves to be WT, but than those smaller American continental teams don't get the privelege to ride in North-America's most prestigious race. I think it's great with a nice mixture between a few WT-toppers and some local (take local with a grain of sand ofcourse, the US is huge) riders who can show themselves in a race with internation fame. There no need for them to become a new Tour de Romandie or Dauphiné Liberée on another continent.
 
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welker3257 wrote:
I'd say none of these, Omloop and Paris-Tours should be WT, the calendar doesn't need to expand, but shrink. They should drop Bejing, TDU, and the Canadian Classics and add those two.

So basically doing the European Tour from World Tour?? If there are lame races to drop, where people are not able to deliver proper coverage and sensible route (2000+metres stages in March bullshit) it is Catalunya and Poland (that could be replaced by reinstalled Peace race in Central Europe).
I'll be back
 
dark_x2012
Actually I think not Central Europe is the problem but Countries like Italy(2 events), France(2 events), Spain(3 events). In Italy and France the event except the Grand tour is simply a preparation for it and riders go not for the WT points but for last form building, and in Spain 3 events are far too much and there are problems with the coverage of Catalunya. Why shouldn't any other country have a WT event?!Angry
 
valverde321
baseballlover312 wrote:
emre99 wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
emre99 wrote:
To drop continental teams and replace them with all pro tour licensed teams. Also there will be more points to the uci rankijng and see top riders of all teams. That doesn't make it more great?


No, because "smaller" CT and PCT teams are sending their very best squads in these 2.HC races and it can become really interesting (just remember AToC 2013 and Mancebo/Acevedo). If these races become UWT, the teams will just send in some domestique sqauds which aren't very good and can't bring us the fun that these "smaller" teams do with their best squads, so yup, it doesn't make it more great.


But if we look at the UCI licended teams it makes a lot of difference...

Here is an example: One side there is Pais Vasco the other side there's Giro del Tirentino

Pais Vasco : Valverde,Contador,Betancur,Costa,Pinot,VdB,Mollema and L.L.Sanches (Caja Rujal)

Giro Del Tirentino: (%95 of squads revealed) : Scarponi,Pozzovivo,Anton,Basso,Evans.


They are also placed at different times. Pais Vasco is great to start building Ardennes form while Trentino conflicts with Fleche.


And once again, its not just about how many big riders there are, that determines how exciting a race would be.
 
weirdskyfan64
Keep TDU, drop Beijing and either Montreal or Quebec, and add Britain and Trentino. Omloop doesn't need to be moved - it has enough prestige already.
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bwiggins
Tour of California, Tour of Britain and Post Denmark Rundt!
These three races really deserve it!

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Jesleyh
Denmark?
Hmm, except for the last winner, I can't really think of a reason for that Pfft
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samdiatmh
valverde321 wrote:The Tour of California is great the way it is, because most PT teams send weaker squads, seeing as they have to come half way around the world pretty much, to a race with a rolling terrain for the most part.


and the small matter of a race in Italy with most bignames riding
 
Ian Butler
weirdskyfan64 wrote:
Keep TDU, drop Beijing and either Montreal or Quebec, and add Britain and Trentino. Omloop doesn't need to be moved - it has enough prestige already.


Yeah but moving Omloop up would give one day racers a bit more chance of winning the UCI Rankings. I'm for that, now it's mainly a stage racer who comes out on top.
 
TheManxMissile
The only WT race that should be dropped is Beijing and that is because it is a blackhole for money at the moment. In another 5-10 years i can see China having the interest and ability to hold a WT and not have it need bailing out. Plus it's position on the Calendar doesn't help being right at the end of the season when most riders and teams are just kind of done. I would like to see it shifted forwards to either pre-Worlds (with enough leeway for traveling) or pre-Lombardia (with enough leeway for traveling) just to give it a bit more focus.

TDU is a great race. Really popular with fans, sponsors, teams and riders. Barely anything wrong with it except it comes really early compared to the European calendar, but its the WORLD Tour so it's fine.
Canadian Classics are just new, but the last few seasons have had some great action. Nothing wrong with them at all, just that they are new. Not every race can have history otherwise we would have about 10 races all year long!

Cali, USAPCC or the other american races should stay as they are. Big names still go along, but also the thriving and competitive domestic scene gets to race against them. In fact that is about the only argument i see for dropping the TDU a level is to get more domestic teams/riders involved.
Same thing with the ToB as it's one of a very limited (2 races!) chances to compete against big continental teams. Without it i imagine two-three of the teams would fold and then the domestic scene would be on the brink of collapse.

I can see a Middle East race stepping up a level soon. Whether it's Qatar, Oman, Dubai or something new i don't know. They've got money and the startlists. There is no domestic scene to consider really. Keep their February date and i think it would be good.

I would like to see Dwars, Omloop or KBK step up a level. Same with Paris-Tours. Give them an extra edge, or in PT case give it back it's status and importance.

The World Tour calendar is about a lot more than prestige or history. It's got an awful lot of sponsor and financial concerns, as well as providing the top tier of racing. The UCI has a lot to take into account when deciding what races get what catagory, and with one or two exceptions generally get it pretty spot on.
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Jesleyh
Thinking Dubai will turn WT soon. Wasn't that included in the UCI plans as well?
Also, there's a domestique scene there: Skydive Dubai Pfft
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Nin1388
I think race in China is okay, afterall they are paying for it. We have 1 days races in Canada, so atleast 1 race in US and UK deserve WT status.
 
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