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| 547984 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:09
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Well what would be the point of the bands if you raced all the races. 
I don't understand what you are trying to say ?
Besides 3 bands of C2, what other races (general statement) will we participate in?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:12
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547984 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Well what would be the point of the bands if you raced all the races.
I don't understand what you are trying to say ?
Besides 3 bands of C2, what other races (general statement) will we participate in?
3 bands of C2HC is what we're choosing. If you could race races in the other bands that wouldn't make sense for the point of having bands. As far as I know we are required to race all C2 races (?), although i don't really know.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:16
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Oh. I didn't realize you were responding to LLS
But is C2HC the 'highest' division C2 teams can race in?
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:33
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547984 wrote:
Oh. I didn't realize you were responding to LLS
But is C2HC the 'highest' division C2 teams can race in?
This probably needs to get put somewhere better, but I'll translate what Snowz said earlier.
CT teams will select 3 of the 4 C2HC groups for a total of 60 race days. They then have a remaining 90 race days to use on individual C1 or C2 races. I'm not sure based on points if C2HC is going to be more rewarding than C1. But odds are C1 will be tougher competition for CT teams than the C2HC races. EDIT: I'm not sure if we are allowed to try for an invite to an HC race or not. (Post below thinks we can).
The current understanding is that PCT teams will be limited on how strong of riders they can send to C2 races. And have no such limit on C1 races.
Can someone (with power, Smowz/SN etc.) make a thread explaining how scheduling will work for the CT teams. I know we aren't submitting schedules yet, but it is hard to pick objectives when you are not even certain what races you are allowed to race.
Edited by Kentaurus on 02-03-2014 03:39
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:37
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Ok guys I'll clear this up.
For Continental teams, the highest we can participate in is HC. However we would get annihilated in them. Then we can do C1 races, which are a pretty much for the PCT teams and the stronger CT teams to fight for wins. Then there's C2HC, which were all races in C2 last year. They are the same races but give more points than C2 races, and only CT teams can race them. Then there's C2, which we choose at our own liberty - with no bands - and they are pretty much races where anyone has a chance.
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:39
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:40
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| 547984 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:41
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Rider race day limits? Or no?
Spoiler I know these Questions should be in some other thread, sorry
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:49
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547984 wrote:
Rider race day limits? Or no?
Spoiler I know these Questions should be in some other thread, sorry
They should, but I couldn't find any thread that talks about scheduling which many of us need information on. Hopefully we can get one that explains this soon.
Also I'm sure they are rider race day limits, no idea how many though.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:53
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For the races this should clear everything up:
PCT and wildcard CT teams can race HC races.
PCT and CT teams can race C1 races.
CT and restricted PCT teams can race C2 races.
Only CT teams can race C2HC races.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 03:54
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Kentaurus wrote:
547984 wrote:
Rider race day limits? Or no?
Spoiler I know these Questions should be in some other thread, sorry
They should, but I couldn't find any thread that talks about scheduling which many of us need information on. Hopefully we can get one that explains this soon.
Also I'm sure they are rider race day limits, no idea how many though.
I would assume there are as there were in the Mini Man game. But they were extremely laid back too. i don't know, but we will have a much larger team of riders so it all evens out.
I say we all just be patient, wait for the end of renewels and such and then deal with all of this.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 04:06
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Being one of only 3 left in the division from last year I can confirm that we can enter HC races as a wildcard, but we only get that option of there are spaces left after the PCT teams have chosen.
We can also compete against the PCT teams in C1 races, where again they have priority over us but these are less likely to be filled by them. Last year these definately were easier than HC races for us go try and win because the start list isn't as packed with the best in their division due to race day numbers. That said last year HC races were not grouped so you were only running into teams that wanted to be there rather than have to be there because they want to ride other races in that band.
C2HC races are a new level for this year and in terms of difficulty I see them as sitting in below C1 races. This is because we are only racing up against each other and won't be racing against the PCT teams. I don't know how it will compare in terms of ranking points to a C1 race though.
Either way bottom of the pile are the C2 races, these are designed for us, though there will be the odd PCT team involved they have a limit on who they can send whereas we don't. Also we have priority over them when picking C2 races. A good result in a C2 race may be worth less than in any other category but it should be easier to achieve and these soon add up over the season, take Gazelle as the best example.
I don't remember off the top of my head how high you need to place in a C1 to get the same amount of points you do for winning a C2 but it was fairy high and with the introduction of C2HC races it might change anyway.
Hopefully this information will be useful to some of you as its experience I learnt the hard way last year. Either way I look forward to meeting you all over the season and clashing with some of you during transfer season.
EDIT: riders do indeed have race day limits and you can see them all in the database if you scroll to the right with a seperate column for each of the 3 divisions they'd ghat end up in. It will be up to you to decide if they have enough race days when riding for a CT team to make it worthwhile of not. Oh and i'mnot sure if they've been updated for the new season yet or not. And for anyone wondering they are calculated based off the riders average but I don't know the formula off the top of my head, fairly sure ur was visible on an old DB but can't check now as I'm typing this epically long post on my iPod, not on my computer with the DB's on it.
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 04:06
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Scheduling is the same. Riders have a certain number of race days each, and we put them in races.
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 04:10
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Zabel'd again  But yeah Sammy is right
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 04:21
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Cycleman123 wrote:
Zabel'd again But yeah Sammy is right
If it makes you feel any better I was quadruple zabel'd whilst making that post and double zabel'd by you whilst editing it.
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 04:23
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 02-03-2014 04:41
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I just checked the DB sammy, the most a normal CT rider can have is 85.
Riders like Cunego and Madrazo only have 27 CT race days.
Riders like Kolobnev, Costa and Haussler have 56 CT race Days.
I think that is a good example of what sammy said.
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 02-03-2014 11:36
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On race days - the comment above identifying based on rider overall average is correct. If you look on the 2nd (RD) tab of the database spreadsheet, it breaks this down. Otherwise the conversation above has reached the point where it agrees with my understanding / interpretation. The only major uncertainties remaining that I can see are:
* the quality of riders that PCT teams will be able to bring to C2 races (was based on the riders average, and recall 72 was the limit).
* The point scoring scale for C2HC races.
Edited by Scorchio on 02-03-2014 16:55
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 02-03-2014 16:44
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I don't think either of those have been confirmed yet, or if they have I'm yet to see them.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-03-2014 10:47
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Scorchio wrote:
* the quality of riders that PCT teams will be able to bring to C2 races (was based on the riders average, and recall 72 was the limit).
* The point scoring scale for C2HC races.
First one still undecided, but suggestions are that it will be lower this season
Second one: HC > C1 > C2HC > C2. Specifics yet to be released
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