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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-07-2013 22:31
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koningjantje wrote:
Honestly, i think the cycling team Sojasun doesn't have riders to win a stage in the Tour. That's why i doubt the fact that Sojasun is still allowed to participate in the Tour every year. I know it's a French Team, but i think the best 22 teams should participate, and i don't think Sojasun is one of the best 22.
How do you guys feel about this?
There's only been mass sprints so far, with 4 different riders winning them, a mountain top finish with the strongest rider in the pack winning it, a huge mountain stage that only a dozen of riders could have won.
Did you really expect a non WT team to be able to win a stage (at least to this point) ? Should it be considered a failure that they haven't ? |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:03
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Lampre have been very poor in the Tour thus far  |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:05
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FdJ and especially BMC have been worse
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Posted on 09-07-2013 23:07
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Lampre are down to seven riders though having already lost Bono and Malori |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:07
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Spilak23 wrote:
BMC have been worse
Which is disappointing as the swiss aim to be neutral at all times
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:10
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sutty68 wrote:
Lampre are down to seven riders though having already lost Bono and Malori
Astana down to 6 and have been more visible, so screw Lampre. Lampre are always shit!
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:11
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Spilak23 wrote:
FdJ and especially BMC have been worse
But then who would go in the front of the pack in the sprint stages to cause most of the crashes?
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:11
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Julien Simon is good enough for the Tour, the rest of Sojasun isn't.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:14
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What's most funny about BMC is that it is driving Gilbert totallly mad
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Posted on 09-07-2013 23:16
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alexkr00 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
FdJ and especially BMC have been worse
But then who would go in the front of the pack in the sprint stages to cause most of the crashes?
Flecha is still around for doing that 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:20
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Spilak23 wrote:
What's most funny about BMC is that it is driving Gilbert totallly mad
Bring More Cera
Whatever they're using now isn't working
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 09-07-2013 23:25
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fcancellara wrote:
Julien Simon is good enough for the Tour, the rest of Sojasun isn't.
So by that logic, because 1 rider is getting the results, the rest of the team isn't any good?
Sojasun was "surprisingly" not the last placed team in the TTT, so I suppose by some of the responses in here, those teams shouldn't be at the race either....
Im pretty sure there's nothing against the rules about having the whole team working for one rider, sacrificing their results.
And yet again thats not the case because they've had riders in the breakaway.
Simon was in the breakaway today because the Tour passed through his hometown (according to Phil and Paul, may be wrong). If it hadn't I bet a different Sojasun rider would have been there instead.
Edited by valverde321 on 09-07-2013 23:26
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-07-2013 02:46
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fcancellara wrote:
Julien Simon is good enough for the Tour, the rest of Sojasun isn't.
Lemoine is fairly good, it is just that without a prologue thus year he couldn't show himself. Others are great for breaks but we haven't really had a day for breaks yet. Personally I'm glad they are here. It wouldn't be the same without lots of French teams and riders.
Also for those paying out Cofidis, remember that 8/9 of their riders crashed on Corsica.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 10-07-2013 10:58
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If I wouldn't know that Lampre is WT, I'd think they don't participate at all.
IAM may've been a better choice, but I don't think Sojasun is that weak for a ProConti team. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 10-07-2013 11:03
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CountArach wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Julien Simon is good enough for the Tour, the rest of Sojasun isn't.
Lemoine is fairly good, it is just that without a prologue thus year he couldn't show himself. Others are great for breaks but we haven't really had a day for breaks yet. Personally I'm glad they are here. It wouldn't be the same without lots of French teams and riders.
Also for those paying out Cofidis, remember that 8/9 of their riders crashed on Corsica.
You mean Jimmy Engoulvent not Lemoine? And anyway, he's actually not that good in prologues, there's only one that he performs in, Luxembourg :L In last year Tour's prologue he finished 123 :L
Sojasun isn't a great team, but they do deserve their spot, at least they animate this race in a good way most of time.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 10-07-2013 11:04
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Lemoine is a good prologue rider aswell. Once won the eneco tour prologue iirc
Edit: Second in 2008
Edited by Spilak23 on 10-07-2013 11:05
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| SotD |
Posted on 10-07-2013 12:52
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I can't see what the fuss is all about. Obviously they don't have the strength to win on a regular basis, but on more than one occassion Julien Simon came close to grabbing the yellow jersey! He contributed to the race top 10 the entire first week, bar the mountainstage.
Cyril Lemoine is sprinting on the flat, and to be honest he is doing a fine job, beating top sprinters on more than one occasion. Today also doing a decent TT. Julien El Fares also tries, and if he hits a break with 6-10 guys he could win the sprint. Brice Feillu already showed that he can win from a breakaway, and it's primarily because of the hardness of the race, that we haven't seen him go for the mountains jersey I think.
Marino, Delaplace, Mederel, Vuillermoz and to some extend Hivert are riders that wouldn't have been selected on any other teams though.
I can't see the problem in the team here though.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-07-2013 13:01
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Alakagom wrote:
CountArach wrote:
fcancellara wrote:
Julien Simon is good enough for the Tour, the rest of Sojasun isn't.
Lemoine is fairly good, it is just that without a prologue thus year he couldn't show himself. Others are great for breaks but we haven't really had a day for breaks yet. Personally I'm glad they are here. It wouldn't be the same without lots of French teams and riders.
Also for those paying out Cofidis, remember that 8/9 of their riders crashed on Corsica.
You mean Jimmy Engoulvent not Lemoine? And anyway, he's actually not that good in prologues, there's only one that he performs in, Luxembourg :L In last year Tour's prologue he finished 123 :L
Sojasun isn't a great team, but they do deserve their spot, at least they animate this race in a good way most of time.
I meant Lemoine. He has a couple of top 20s this year in WT prologues:
https://www.cqrank...ceid=24520
https://www.cqrank...ceid=24082
He had a few other top 10 prologue rides in 2011 too.
Edited by CountArach on 10-07-2013 13:01
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| Strydz |
Posted on 10-07-2013 13:13
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I like that the GT's pick some of the smaller local teams, as has already been said that teams like Sojasun would struggle for sponsorship without these invites, also if we did go by rankings then they deserve there place. Wait until when a breakaway gets let go to the finish and I bet that a Sojasun rider will be there fighting for the win.
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| koningjantje |
Posted on 10-07-2013 17:03
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I agree Julien Simon belongs in the Tour. I have respect for all clean cyclists, but to be honest: except for Simon the other riders of Sojasun are just not ready for this work. They can keep up with the pace of the peloton until the first mountain arrives. |
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