baseballlover312 wrote:
Man, I used to think the Wii U was in bad shape. Then the XBOX One was announced.
First of all, the extras. There isn't a single new thing in them. Just things I would never want to do on a game console in the first place. Then there is the unnecessary controller changes. And the fact that Kinect is now required even though, contrary to popular velief, nothing is better with Kinect. No backwards compatability, and a fee to play used games. Seems like a load of BS to me.
And the name. XBOX One? Worse than Wii U. And for what. there were some rumors going around it would be the XBOX Infinity, an original and cool name. But of course now.
This can barely be called a console anymore and a turnoff to hardcore gamers. PS4 has a huge advantage. I've never been a Playstation fan, but I will for sure buy one. Not that they have been a little the same way. But this is a new level.
This will either go down or bring the Wii U back up. Just as developers don't want to mess with the gamepad, the Kinect is a truly gimmicky and useless piece of hardware. And now XBOX's encouragement of it as a real part of the system might make developers no more happy to work with it.
Like I said. PS4 is the way to go for this generation. Of course PC rules all, but not every game, especially sports game (f.e. NHL 14) will come out on PC.
For gaming, this may be true.
But the Kinect is a phenomenal piece of hardware (and most importantly, relatively cheap), that's revolutionised the fields of Computer Vision and, to a lesser extent, Human-Computer Interaction.
Yeah, but you have to live in a loft to play with it. It is unable to spot you, if you are not standing more than 3 metres far from it and every game i tried on that was meh. It does not also respond very well to given orders anyway.
New X-set top box (because it is morel ike Smart TV) is not going to be a gaming console ,just a Microsoft Apple-like product for hipsters chating on facebook whne playing. Wii U FTW!
baseballlover312 wrote:
But it is a complete gimmmick at what it's meant for.
So much less gimmicky than the Wii though...
People need to stop bashing on the XO until Sony properly release all the features of the PS4. You should really expect them to follow some sort of similar vein including lots of social media/internet extras that a "games" console doesn't need. Also expect them to have a similar strategy to deal with pre-owned games, as i doubt it was Microsoft that pushed that idea, more that it was pressure from the dev's themselves.
Also we now need to except that these are not games consoles in the traditional sense. They are home entertainment systems. I think its really a good development. Lets be honest games are so realistic now there is not a lot of scope for them to grow and innovate, so the the emphasis should be elsewhere. Recently Microsoft have been doing this with various new apps for the 360 which have been quite successful if only for the novelty of it.
I admit steaming TV is pointless on a console that is connected to the TV... (seriously who suggested that, they should be given a brain then shot) ... but integrating connection to social media sites is cool as so many people, including gamers, use them and the games side of them. Steaming films, email etc. is no different to an internet TV. And the bonus now is that you get the internet TV with a games console and a blu-ray player.
The XO has copped a lot of flack for the forced re-purchase of pre-owned games, but 1) cost hasn't been announced and 2) its perfectly valid. You buy a game, YOU, not your friend your lending it/selling it to. The copyright does support them here and people need to accept this. It just makes sure they can keep making money, and guess what they are a company and that is the whole point of what they do.
It has also annoyed some people by forcing you to use Kinect. The XO will come with Kinect when sold so that isn't a problem. It will be like games are now on the 360. They might have one or two token waves and menu navigation but it won't take over the gameplay. The Kinect is an amazing piece of technology with some amazing applications and it really should be pushed as much as possible. I've used the current system and its awesome for navigating menus and simple things like that, just being able to casually ask it or wave a lazy arm is really nice. The new one should be an improvement and i for one cannot wait to use it. The PS4 has nothing on Kinect.
I would say some stuff on the PS4 but there is not information on it. Erm... yeah... Look forward to the real announcement and demonstrations.
Wii U just being left in the dust, mostly by its own fault unfortunately. Its been out for months and i have only ever seen bad publicity for it. Mostly 3rd Party dev's saying they will not make games for it! You don't get worse publicity. Also i have never seen a TV advert or a billboard either... Just shocking...
But a gaming console is made for games. For otehr things, I have other things. I'd never use an Xbox for any of those things. I have a computer to check my email. Or stream films. Or I can use my blue-ray/DVD player to play them. The thing is, the other devices do it better! This is what will do in consoles, because the only thing they do better is games, and they refuse!
And used games have been around forever. Some people can't afford New games all the time. Also, when a game is a few years old and can't be purchased new anymore, you can't get it! Load of crap. They want to remove the middleman to get money but it's not fair to the consumer.
And you just say push the Kinect? Isn't that what turned developers away from the Wii U? XCrap they don't want to deal with.
The Wii was not gimmicky when it tried something. It innovated. But then we relized it didn't make anything better and was crap. Same should happen with Kinect.
And are you guys frogetting the PS4 was announced months ago?
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baseballlover312 wrote:
But a gaming console is made for games. For otehr things, I have other things. I'd never use an Xbox for any of those things. I have a computer to check my email. Or stream films. Or I can use my blue-ray/DVD player to play them. The thing is, the other devices do it better! This is what will do in consoles, because the only thing they do better is games, and they refuse!
That's not really a valid argument though. Tech evolves, and the way you use tech evolves. Look at how mobile phones have changed
baseballlover312 wrote:
But a gaming console is made for games. For otehr things, I have other things. I'd never use an Xbox for any of those things. I have a computer to check my email. Or stream films. Or I can use my blue-ray/DVD player to play them. The thing is, the other devices do it better! This is what will do in consoles, because the only thing they do better is games, and they refuse!
That's not really a valid argument though. Tech evolves, and the way you use tech evolves. Look at how mobile phones have changed
I still hold it is easier to type on a keyboard than a touchscreen, especially on a phone. Tech can evolve. But tech should get better if it evolves. This is not.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
And one of my main points was that games consoles are no longer just for games, they are now entertainment systems, which incorporate various other bits of tech. I would rather have one system that does everything than 5 different systems. Of course if you already have internet tv, a blu-ray player, a laptop, a tablet and a games console then yes these additions are not entirely necessary but i don't so to me it sounds great. And hell a PC does gaming way way better than any console anyway so even a games console is pointless!
Used games i'm not happy about but i can understand why its been done. It is fair to the consumer and the producer now. Before it was unfair to the producer and that balance has been readdressed. It's all part of the inexorable move towards digital only gaming (which i am against).
I used to think i knew why dev's moved away from the Wii U but now i have no clue... You can look at the 360 now with Kinect, and that the majority of games still do not use it in actual gameplay. Something else is just wrong with Nintendo as a basic level
The Wii was gimmicky... Without the motion control it had nothing new to offer apart from the usual advances. Yes it was innovative (if you ignore IPlay on the PS2) but the Wii U certainly isn't. All its done is link a tablet to a games console... wow... Kinect technology, as has been shown, has wider applications outside of gaming. This is why i am behind it. Most people don't have the resources to make something like Kinect so being able to purchase and hack it is brilliant. If you can't agree with that something is wrong with you
baseballlover312 wrote:
But they don't need to be entertainment systems. Because while it may be all in one, the root system always does it better.
BTW why the hell would I need an Internet TV? Or a tablet?
No they don't need to be, but they are now. I agree putting TV inside a machine you connect to your TV is just plain dumb, but for those people who don't have blu-ray players or lots of money its a great thing (cost dependent of course).
Also the Internet TV and Tablet is a whole other issue i completely agree with you on!
baseballlover312 wrote:
But a gaming console is made for games. For otehr things, I have other things. I'd never use an Xbox for any of those things. I have a computer to check my email. Or stream films. Or I can use my blue-ray/DVD player to play them. The thing is, the other devices do it better! This is what will do in consoles, because the only thing they do better is games, and they refuse!
That's not really a valid argument though. Tech evolves, and the way you use tech evolves. Look at how mobile phones have changed
I still hold it is easier to type on a keyboard than a touchscreen, especially on a phone. Tech can evolve. But tech should get better if it evolves. This is not.
Let them live the dream. I agree with you completly, but it hard to expalin that to someone, who needs sweet words about evolution being whispered in his ear, while it is all only about selling you the new product.
Keyboard and mouse will be ever best to use with any system and tasks. Waiwing with hands or speaking with your voice will be never so fast like your hands, so this is only blind way, but we need to learn that.
And companies need to copy Apple products, despite how stupid and not needed those functions are. Spoiled kids just need the feel of buying something cool and evolved, to look cool in class.
Funny is, that more things will be in "gaming console", more things will take you away from actual gaming (and more things can get broken). You need to install the games now, while former purpose and advantage of consoles was that you put the disk in and play. Now you will connect to internet with your always online webcam in your living room (hello Mr. Orwell), check facebook, new shopping offers, wave for some pizza and drink, solve the question odf the day quiz, browse another shopping offer, tweet something and maybe you will find a minute to play some game.
PC+ Full HD TV is all what you need anyway. Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 24-05-2013 06:46
Not getting all the hype really. I don't see much point getting a PS4 until they stop making PS3 games. Plus, I would rather buy a 360 instead of a One, because the only thing I'd be interested in that I can't get on PS3 is Forza
i don't agree with avin
he speak like doesn't know
but on market are special mouse for ps3 and xbox360 fps games,really expensive things
it's not all,some smart guys maded lots of adaptors where you can plug pc keyboard and mouse
i use adaptor from these smart guys and i play fifa 13 on ps3 with xbox360 controller
if avin says that pc it's better then a profesional console just because of a keyboard and mouse,then he is verry wrong
i know it from yerstarday that he is spamming here
he is only one that insulted people with that picture saying that people who has a console are dirty peasants
Yeah, that is exactly what i meant, that keyboard and mouse is the only difference.
But this discussion does not belong here, the picture is just joke, somebody should tell you how to spot one, also he can learn you to understand and use english, when you are at it.
I gave my opinion on new XBOX, as this is what this topic is about, of course you are welcomed to disagree. How it was presented so far, new XBOX is just a gimmick, nothing better for gamers from "old gen" consoles, just bringing in the annoying features...
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Yeah, that is exactly what i meant, that keyboard and mouse is the only difference.
But this discussion does not belong here, the picture is just joke, somebody should tell you how to spot one, also he can teach you to understand and use english, when you are at it.
I gave my opinion on new XBOX, as this is what this topic is about, of course you are welcomed to disagree. How it was presented so far, new XBOX is just a gimmick, nothing better for gamers from "old gen" consoles, just bringing in the annoying features...
Agreed here, the picture was just a joke, and not even a bad one.
For the X1 vs PS4 discussion: Just wait for the E3 game demonstrations, we still don't know enough to judge either of them.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Yeah, that is exactly what i meant, that keyboard and mouse is the only difference.
But this discussion does not belong here, the picture is just joke, somebody should tell you how to spot one, also he can teach you to understand and use english, when you are at it.
I gave my opinion on new XBOX, as this is what this topic is about, of course you are welcomed to disagree. How it was presented so far, new XBOX is just a gimmick, nothing better for gamers from "old gen" consoles, just bringing in the annoying features...
Agreed here, the picture was just a joke, and not even a bad one.
For the X1 vs PS4 discussion: Just wait for the E3 game demonstrations, we still don't know enough to judge either of them.
The biggest problem of the XBOX One reveal was to show those CGI (pre-rendered) trailers instead of real gameplay.
Even though they said the E3 will be all about the games on XBOX One but most of the customer doesn't care (unfortunately) about that.
Instead of ending with Call of Duty: Ghosts they could have switched back over and say it again at the end that they have to follow the E3 for more.
So the stuff hanging on are "TV TV TV" "sports sports sports" and a dog..
Comparing PS4s and XBOX Ones reveal I guess it is just over that the big companies will make "just" a game console like the Super Nintendo or PS1 because the times changed a lot.
The games nowadays.. Well compared to the roaring 90ies where there were a lot of new games released no matter what it is or that it was.
You can't risk too much now because when it fails it stings the company as the developing costs are now much much much higher. So you can't allow a big dissappointment.
They have to perform so they go with the good stuff they have and can sell instead of creating really new games or lets say "try" to make something new.
Also they (XBOX One) announced a "All-in-one Entertainment system" and not "a gaming console"
The lack of backwards compability is because of the x86 architecture the new console will use. I guess it wouldn't make any sense to build in the XBOX 360 chipset otherwise they could have done it?
But I have to say that the backwards compability from XBOX to XBOX 360 was bad.
You couldn't play all the XBOX games plus a lot of games had bugs because of the backwards compability.
For example when I would like to play DnD: Heroes on XBOX 360 it is slooooooooow. It is played with x0.1 speed no idea why.
So I have still the XBOX here because I have the save games plus it function like it should. But I have to say that I really seldom play anything on the big old XBOX..
I guess the design of the XBOX One is so boxy because of the new (big) fan they included to (hopefully) prevent the overheating that killed (a lot of?) the XBOX 360s. Well I would say just give them the air to breathe like your PC and it runs fine
I hope that those features (TV related but not those fantasy stuff) will be also made available for the other markets but with their TV stations etc. but in Germany there are just 2 TV apps with ZDF and Sport1 (also Sky but you need the subscription from Sky) otherwise it's almost a US tailored product losing even more in Asia and even losing a even market in Europe.
But I guess upgrading "the other stuff" might be leading into that the possible "losses" could be limited.
superider2010 wrote:
i don't agree with avin he speak like doesn't know
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superider2010 wrote:
we buy what we like personally some features but around the globe,ps4 raised their shares with 9% after ms conference because people from internet disliked xbox one
both console will come with that tax on pre owned games because that's the reason that ea won't put online pass anymore
if with online pass you coulded still play the game offline,now with this unlock pre owned option you can't play offline,so they force more people to pay for unlock tax then online pass
who will buy pre owned games?guys from the poor countries mostly
example: if i buy a new game for xbox one,i will shared with another co-national and he will pay that tax which would be more cheap then the price of a new game.after install the game,you won't need the disk,the game will be attached to your profile
kinect required to launch xbox one..........that's it's a big inconvenience for me
kinect 2.0 will come as bundle with console but pretty ennoying to force you to use kinect
i live at unit/block,not house,so i play quitely nights,i don't want to yell at xbox some commands to play
i like from ps4 that i won't need a capture card to record my gameplays
microsoft has been focused on us citizens with television on xbox.i don't care about nfl,nba but even if i would care about this things it wouldn't working at me because region it's unlocked and i must use vpn
sony presented more games,games that i don't like
fifa 14 ultimate team mode it's just on xbox fifa 13 fut servers were awfull,so i won't care about fut mode in fifa 14.i like pro club on fifa
i will buy a nex gen console after 1 year of releasing so i can know all the info but i don't like kinect required and again paying for xbox live,so 90% i will go for ps4
- Sonys shares skyrocketed that much because they "plan" to split their music and film department so each can join the stock exchange and thats what the market really likes. And even it's a plan the market or lets say the investors of Sony (the share holders) went like: "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Thats the reason and not listening to these console reveals they are only interested in how well it (PS4) sells compared to others and as the XBOX One isn't out it can't skyrocket by 8%.
- EA dropped the Online pass because they know it sucks/listened to the customers and it damages it's image (if there is an image left thats not the question here )
- FIFA Ultimate Team will be also at PS4 but without "exclusive content" what ever that might be
- EA is responsible for it's gaming servers and not Microsoft.
Could change with XBOX One but I doubt MS will urge that every game released on XBOX needs to use their new 300.000 servers for all the games.
The 15.000 servers used now are for logging into XBOX Live, their games relased under Microsoft Studios plus the cloud.
For example the "shitty" servers/lags are almost none at games like Halo 4 or Forza Motorsport 4.
baseballlover312 wrote:First of all, the extras. There isn't a single new thing in them. Just things I would never want to do on a game console in the first place. Then there is the unnecessary controller changes. And the fact that Kinect is now required even though, contrary to popular velief, nothing is better with Kinect. No backwards compatability, and a fee to play used games. Seems like a load of BS to me.
Well I think it's more an evolution of the stuff they have instead of revolutionary. But it is ok because I think that the services could be good for those who are normally not interested in just gaming. Also even the XBOX 360 isn't a gaming console because it has a weakened form of the stuff they will have at XBOX One.
The controller changes are really good actually.
The wobbly D-pad (well it was actually ironed out at the black edition of the XBOX 360) is gone and looks much more solid, trigger feedback (hope it sounds as good as.. for example at FM5 that the Trigger give feedback instead of the whole controller rumbling or even simulate break locks) better sticks..
That is the thing I don't like about the PS3 is the controller because the triggers behind are so small and those plastic extensions are laughable (looking like fake extensions) and the 2 sticks at the bottom of the controller is at least for me banana.
I think the new Kinect might be a lot better than the old one if it works. I heard that the journalists could try out Kinect 2.0 (I would say) and nothing worked so like the presenters showed.. Maybe those "childhood illnesses" are not ironed out just yet.
I would say the PS Eye is better than the Kinect 1 because the tracking is much better (comparing "their" sports games that Sports Champions or so against Kinect Sports) but you have a big ding dong in your hand..
I hope that it might change with Kinect 2.
I also hope that the developers actually really try to do something now with the new Kinect.
The used game stuff.. Actually I prefer that I take the XBOX to others or saying they should get their asses over here instead of loaning out games.
And most of the used games look like they were tried to play in a old vinyl music box with so much scratches and fingerprints like they ate chips just before grabbing the disc.
The industry have to get any money they can get because I think piracy is still a big problem and the costs for everything are higher.
Getting used games (instead of waiting some months when the new game prices drop?) won't benefit the industry. Just Gamestop or so.
But I understand that there are lets say heavy users that buy games and sell them to get other new games because they play a lot of games.
Whilst I just have my 3-4 genres I like (sports, racing, strategy and roleplaying stuff) and as there is no action, the most games that are released (well also a trend that I believe there are toooo much action/shooter stuff) aren't interesting for me
baseballlover312 wrote:
But they don't need to be entertainment systems. Because while it may be all in one, the root system always does it better.
BTW why the hell would I need an Internet TV? Or a tablet?
I think if you want really just gaming, then the PC is the way to go.
Because you can set up your PC like you want (High-End PCs if playing stuff like Crysis 3) and with Steam there is something comparable to XBOX Live/PSN like (also) a market for games with much better deals and stuff. XBOX Live deals are from the feeling always the same like a COD week than a BF week etc.
Or probably that OUYA project.
But the thing most people doesn't want to see (as they claim their selves "gamers" ) is that this "gimmicky" stuff is used very well. If I have a look at my friends list at XBOX Live there are people using Netflix some years ago it was just "playing XYZ".
Also I think it is ok to make a All-in-one stuff because I don't want to have 500 things in my living room but more a "all-in-one machine". And if the XBOX One can synchronize all the things like the sound system, TV etc. that is good because it is handy/practical.
I would compare this "blindness" with those (for example) hardcore racing fans that want absolutely hardcore racing games.
The problem is they are not the majority, don't see that and if a company would do something like this, it would be for let's say 1-3% of gamers so the commercial success is almost at 0%.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
[...]Now you will connect to internet with your always online webcam in your living room (hello Mr. Orwell)[...]
Do you really think that MS will be so stupid to use the standby mode to stalk? A US company misusing their product plus infringing with the laws and self-made rules regarding privacy?
If a system hacker would find out that it will do so, Microsoft would be sued with billion claims (1.000.000.000) as they are in the US and they are busted and bankrupt so fast..
Well I would trust MS more in privacy stuff than Facebook, Google or Apple.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Yeah, that is exactly what i meant, that keyboard and mouse is the only difference.
But this discussion does not belong here, the picture is just joke, somebody should tell you how to spot one, also he can learn you to understand and use english, when you are at it.
I gave my opinion on new XBOX, as this is what this topic is about, of course you are welcomed to disagree. How it was presented so far, new XBOX is just a gimmick, nothing better for gamers from "old gen" consoles, just bringing in the annoying features...
Well new x86 architecture, 8 core (ok the same like the PS4 but still more than the old one) or 8GB RAM (Yes DDR3 but just a DDR5 isn't better if not well used so we need to wait for the release if the DDR3 or DDR5 works in their consoles better) is nothing for gamers? Enabling better graphics and faster processes?
Ouch that is a lot of text..
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