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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 02-04-2013 08:32
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No Sagan? Damn..this was he's chanche to get even with Cancellara.
Now it is all against Cancellara situation here |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 02-04-2013 08:53
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Flecha isn't on the list yet, I'd put him as  |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-04-2013 08:54
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Yeah forgot him for a while, sorry  |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 02-04-2013 09:13
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I'd put Degenkolb as  aswell.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 02-04-2013 09:19
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I'd put Langeveld in the Roelandts group. I just hope for an upset. Being a stonewall favourite isnt also a good thing coz everyones looking at you so you never know. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 02-04-2013 10:22
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If some of the stronger guys go early then everyone looks at Cancellara for 50km+ it might work. Although anyway Fabian might just bridge a minute gap solo in the space of a km given current form 
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 02-04-2013 19:25
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Guido Mukk wrote:
No Sagan? Damn..this was he's chanche to get even with Cancellara.
Now it is all against Cancellara situation here
I think Sagans position on the bike was too high and made it likely he might crash on Roubaix cobbles. I think he was going to change his position slowly to ride Roubaix next year.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-04-2013 19:28
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Bosskardo wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
No Sagan? Damn..this was he's chanche to get even with Cancellara.
Now it is all against Cancellara situation here
I think Sagans position on the bike was too high and made it likely he might crash on Roubaix cobbles. I think he was going to change his position slowly to ride Roubaix next year.
Too high and backwards. According to his team it means that if he's riding on cobbles that aren't on a climb, not only does he tire very quickly (so he has no chance at Roubaix), it's also very likely he'll fall if he tries to attack or follow an attack on a flat cobble section.
They're making him change his position but it'll take months. So, next season.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 02-04-2013 20:06
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Will that be a disadvantage for his current strengths or something? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 02-04-2013 20:10
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I don't think so, although one can never be sure before it's happened.
He's got a lot of raw power, and a high gravity centre, that's rather located in the back of a front-rear axis, so not convenient for cobbles. He cannot adapt in one week time, so it's over for this year. Is a new position going to affect his power ? Slightly if you consider position alone, but with adaptation he should make for it, I'd say.
If you've got a turbo trainer try both kind of positions and see for yourself which makes you pedal faster. Generally the highest one does for endurance efforts. On the road it's different because a lower position gives you better aerodynamics so it makes for the loss of power. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 02-04-2013 20:11
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issoisso wrote:
Too high and backwards. According to his team it means that if he's riding on cobbles that aren't on a climb, not only does he tire very quickly (so he has no chance at Roubaix), it's also very likely he'll fall if he tries to attack or follow an attack on a flat cobble section.
They're making him change his position but it'll take months. So, next season.
It just shows the amazing talent this guy has. I remember something similar in the final sprint of Milan-San Remo: someone on the forum compared the sprint style of Ciolek with Sagan: Ciolek's very narrow and aerodynamic body position versus Sagan's aggressive stance that was all over the place.
Imagine what Sagan can achieve when he actually learns all those techniques, considering he is already one of the best without them.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 02-04-2013 20:11
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It's going to take a very freakish performance to stop Cancellara here I think. We can look back at Vansummeren, but
a) Cancellara was not quite as strong
b) His team were weak
c) The machine still nearly won!
It will need some kind of amazing gang bang or something going badly wrong (illness or crash) to stop the inevitable.
A question then of not who but when? Can Fab go earlier than Boonen's brilliant solo last year?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-04-2013 21:33
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ShortsNL wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Too high and backwards. According to his team it means that if he's riding on cobbles that aren't on a climb, not only does he tire very quickly (so he has no chance at Roubaix), it's also very likely he'll fall if he tries to attack or follow an attack on a flat cobble section.
They're making him change his position but it'll take months. So, next season.
It just shows the amazing talent this guy has. I remember something similar in the final sprint of Milan-San Remo: someone on the forum compared the sprint style of Ciolek with Sagan: Ciolek's very narrow and aerodynamic body position versus Sagan's aggressive stance that was all over the place.
Imagine what Sagan can achieve when he actually learns all those techniques, considering he is already one of the best without them.
What's effective for most isn't effective for all.
When Armstrong did aero training to try to improve his far too wide TT aero profile, you know what they found? That if he tried to ride 2mm narrower he lost a huge chunk of power. So instead of the improvement that in theory he should've had, it turned out his optimum pedalling was already what he was using.
It's impossible to say if Sagan can improve at all without testing. Only the team know.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 04-04-2013 14:52
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So Cancellara fell yesterday in the Scheldeprijs, nothing too major.
He fell today, reconning Paris - Roubaix. He's been taken to a hospital for X-rays, they don't know the damage yet. Hope it's not too bad, though. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 04-04-2013 18:48
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Cancellara comes off bike whilst doing a recon on the Paris-Roubaix 
https://nieuws.vtm.be/sport/2013040442...de-beelden |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 04-04-2013 18:51
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Wow, if he gets injured, who whil win Paris-Roubaix? |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 04-04-2013 18:52
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Smowz wrote:
It's going to take a very freakish performance to stop Cancellara here I think. We can look back at Vansummeren, but
a) Cancellara was not quite as strong
b) His team were weak
c) The machine still nearly won!
It will need some kind of amazing gang bang or something going badly wrong (illness or crash) to stop the inevitable.
A question then of not who but when? Can Fab go earlier than Boonen's brilliant solo last year?
Oh God, no!
I will always hope that Hushovd will finally win P-R, but I think that ship has sailed. He's getting a bit old and he hs been carying the most longlasting flu ever.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-04-2013 19:29
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The BMC flu ? Evans has had it for years too, and Gilbert has gotten it too.
They really should hire a proper doctor there. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 04-04-2013 19:39
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Aquarius wrote:
The BMC flu ? Evans has had it for years too, and Gilbert has gotten it too.
They really should hire a proper doctor there.
There's this guy called Leinders who does amazing work |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 04-04-2013 19:51
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Aquarius wrote:
The BMC flu ? Evans has had it for years too, and Gilbert has gotten it too.
They really should hire a proper doctor there.
In Evans's and Hushovd's case, I'd say they got the "I'm past it" flu. There's no known cure for it.
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