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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-03-2013 07:24
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Ian Butler wrote:
No matter his talent, Sagan is no superman. Cycling history is filled with: "he couldn't lose... yet he did".
Well, outclimbing Contador and Froome on sharp hills three days after beating Cavendish and Greipel in flat sprint seems superman enough for me, but i agree completly, that anything can happen and nobody could be clarified as clear winner before the race.
But calling himn clear favourite makes perfect sense (i dont know if you watched Tirreno, but Sagan was pretty above the rest, bar Nibali).
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-03-2013 07:34
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
No matter his talent, Sagan is no superman. Cycling history is filled with: "he couldn't lose... yet he did".
Well, outclimbing Contador and Froome on sharp hills three days after beating Cavendish and Greipel in flat sprint seems superman enough for me, but i agree completly, that anything can happen and nobody could be clarified as clear winner before the race.
But calling himn clear favourite makes perfect sense (i dont know if you watched Tirreno, but Sagan was pretty above the rest, bar Nibali).
You misheard me
I said: no matter his talent. Obviously he has talent, and in Tirreno you couldn't deny it.
But superman is something else. Gilbert in 2011, you could say he's superman, but has he performed like that in every race since? No? What was it: talent + exceptional form.
I could give many more examples. But of course I won't deny the incredible talent. But because you have one race where you drop Froome, doesn't mean you always will. Otherwise cycling would be boring, you have to look at the bigger picture, not individual results. Though for this San Remo, the shape of Tirreno is very important, and that stage can be viewed as a preview. That said, many things can happen. (luckily Sagan is an excellent steerer in the pack, so positioning won't be too hard for him  ) |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-03-2013 07:53
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Ian Butler wrote:
But superman is something else. Gilbert in 2011, you could say he's superman, but has he performed like that in every race since? No? What was it: talent + Ibarguren.
Corrected that for ya!
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 14-03-2013 07:59
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If Hushovd wins, i will change my avatar to somthing really bad. |
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| Flair |
Posted on 14-03-2013 08:08
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Oh i know itts a great race for eddy. Ii just think it would have been nice to give him a mountain helper. His the standout climber in the squad, which means if the race is hard (which is almost certaiinly willl be to drop cav) he will end up isolated. I guess thomas is getting better up holl though, so maybe they are figuring he will stay there as well.
But eddy is very similar to Sagan, except Sagan has insane form and eddy hasn't done much.
EDIT: If we are predicting non-sagan winners, then i'd throw down chanvenel in a small bunch sprint with Moser and cancellara.
Edited by Flair on 14-03-2013 08:12
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 14-03-2013 08:15
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Flair wrote:
Oh i know itts a great race for eddy. Ii just think it would have been nice to give him a mountain helper. His the standout climber in the squad, which means if the race is hard (which is almost certaiinly willl be to drop cav) he will end up isolated. I guess thomas is getting better up holl though, so maybe they are figuring he will stay there as well.
But eddy is very similar to Sagan, except Sagan has insane form and eddy hasn't done much.
EDIT: If we are predicting non-sagan winners, then i'd throw down chanvenel in a small bunch sprint with Moser and cancellara.
Sorry but if you are looking for a helper you can't get much better than Kiryenka. He's a total beast on flat additonally as he shown in Paris Nice countless times or many other times.
Sky doesn't have strongest team but has few options in EBH, Thomas or a late attack with Kiryenka etc. However considering Sky's record in MSR, Top 5 would be sufficient for the team.
Sagan comes as favoruite, but wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't win it too, that's the magic of MSR.
Edited by Alakagom on 14-03-2013 08:16
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 14-03-2013 08:21
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Sagan obviously the big favourite, he can win in every possible way Milan-San Remo can be won. He'll probably want to avoid the mass sprint though.
Outsiders I'm looking at Ciolek and Roelandts. Both are in great form, can handle a hill decently and can finish it in a sprint.
Then of course you have people like Gilbert, Cancellara, Boonen, who can do almost anything on a good day, though they're not peeking yet.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 14-03-2013 10:20
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would like to see someone like Cancellara or Gilbert win this, but realistically, it's Sagan's |
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| ReimToast |
Posted on 14-03-2013 10:37
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Non-Sagan? Then I'd say watch out for Rojas. No doubt Movistar will try their best to put pressure on the bunch over the likes of the Poggio, but how well this works will be a different story...
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-03-2013 10:41
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ReimToast wrote:
Non-Sagan? Then I'd say watch out for Rojas. No doubt Movistar will try their best to put pressure on the bunch over the likes of the Poggio, but how well this works will be a different story...
Rojas is a good bet for 2nd-6th or thereabouts. But Rojas and winning is not compatible.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 14-03-2013 10:49
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Looking forward to what Cunego can, after an agressive Tirreno
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 14-03-2013 11:02
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And i almost forgot one more dark horse, who could do maybe very well, Roelandts. 
I agree, Roelandts is so strong at the minute, co-leading with Greipel, he's the better climber, I think he's got a shot. Degenkolb will be up there too. Can't see Sagan losing though, also agree with the Hushovd talk he's going well at the minute.
Don't think it'll pan out like last year. I think it'll be a sprint but without some of the weaker climbers like Cavendish.
My top 3 would be;
1) Sagan
2) Degenkolb
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-03-2013 11:04
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Why does nobody mention Danny Pate here? 
I mean, it's not because he won't participate that he won't win...
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 14-03-2013 13:22
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There are basicly three scenarios (at least in a perfect world where no rider will fall or get a puncture). There will definitely be an attack on the Poggio. Nibali, Cancellara, Gilbert and Chavanel are some likely names.
1. Sagan responds to the attack and beats the break-away in a sprint.
2. Sagan doesn't/isn't able to respond, no one wants to help him to close the gap, someone from the break away will win.
3. The break-away gets caught and there comes a mass sprint, where Sagan has the biggest chance to win (unless he was in that break-away ofcourse). Other likely contenders are Goss and Cav (if he gets over the hills), they seem to be in great form.
Greipel doesn't have a chance I think. It will be very difficult to set up the Lotto-train on the descend of the Poggio and everyone knows how Greipel sucks at fighting his place forward to get a good position for the sprint. Roelandts might be a better choice.
Degencolb just lacks good form, I haven't seen him doing well the past weeks.
Also Boeckmans is going to get close to a win but he will fail somehow
Edited by fosforgasXIII on 14-03-2013 13:23
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| Flair |
Posted on 14-03-2013 19:08
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Alakagom wrote:
Sorry but if you are looking for a helper you can't get much better than Kiryenka. He's a total beast on flat additonally as he shown in Paris Nice countless times or many other times.
Sky doesn't have strongest team but has few options in EBH, Thomas or a late attack with Kiryenka etc. However considering Sky's record in MSR, Top 5 would be sufficient for the team.
Sagan comes as favoruite, but wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't win it too, that's the magic of MSR.
My bad. Didn't spot Kiryenka in the list. The man is indeed a monster XD |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 14-03-2013 19:33
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My dark horse, Mauro Santambrogio. |
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| Nunekazz |
Posted on 14-03-2013 20:06
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I hope henrich haussler can get top 10 because he is a great rider and he can sprint with the big riders like cavendish or greipel
but my bet for this race is peter sagan |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 15-03-2013 18:40
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Roelandts will be team leader of Lotto-Belisol together with Greipel. He wil try to attack with a small group.
Edited by fosforgasXIII on 15-03-2013 18:41
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 16-03-2013 13:33
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What if Gilbert, Cancellara, Nibali get away on the Poggio together with Sagan. Will they continue knowing they will get slaughtered at the line. Or will they wait? Or will they work against Sagan?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 16-03-2013 13:37
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Spilak23 wrote:
What if Gilbert, Cancellara, Nibali get away on the Poggio together with Sagan. Will they continue knowing they will get slaughtered at the line. Or will they wait? Or will they work against Sagan?
Cance (about Sagan) : He wasn't such a gentleman with me, so I'd probably break it down, I wouldn't pull if we got away. It all depends who is in the group but I don't think I'll take riders to the finish like I did last year. No."
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