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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:46
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
Can he do something interesting in the Ardennes? Maybe top 10.
Who, Ian? He is going for the win! 
Lol wrong thread xD |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:47
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53kg isn't even healthy for most of the top climbers I guess 
I'm 1.70 and heavier than that(Just 2kg heavier, but whatever... )
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:50
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You better believe I'm going for the win in the Ardennes 
I know 53 (normally 55-56) is a bit low for my height, but it's partly genetics. Gaining 3kg is the most difficult task imaginable for me. I eat as much as I can, try to gain weight, but it never works. My dad's real slim, too, and his dad, etc... Any hints on how to gain weight in a good way? Because I even tried to unhealthy way, eating a lot of fat-crap, but that didn' work either. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:52
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Maybe getting some more muscles? I know genetics play an important role, but 53 on your height is close to the unhealthy supermodels. 
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:53
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You could try eating something before going to bed, when sleeping you will burn less fat, so you'll probably gain some weight, not saying you should try it with chips and chocolate, everything would work
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:54
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Maybe getting some more muscles? I know genetics play an important role, but 53 on your height is close to the unhealthy supermodels.
Interesting career choice
Well, I'm superslim, so I might fit in with supermodels, but the face isn't working with me 
Maybe I'll just grow a 5kg beard |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:54
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
53 kilograms on almost 1.80metres? Jeez, i would have a lot of pain if i was so skeletonish. I believe somethning like 65 kilograms should be a healthy weight for someone of your height.
Start eating Ian (i am 40 kilograms heavier btw).
Yeah, you're BMI is quite heavily in the underweight range Ian, I'm not even sure how you can be that light, I'm 185cm and just under 65 kilos and I'm skin and bone bar my leg muscles. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:56
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Well, I'm featherlight, always have been. Don't know how, just always have been Maybe I have some Helium in my veins.
Though it's not like I don't have any muscles, I'm not someone to lift weights at the Olympics, but my legs are just fine to climb quite well. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 24-01-2013 10:57
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All depends on age with weight, you will be able to hold weight easier the older you get.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 26-01-2013 07:44
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Ian Butler wrote:
You better believe I'm going for the win in the Ardennes
I know 53 (normally 55-56) is a bit low for my height, but it's partly genetics. Gaining 3kg is the most difficult task imaginable for me. I eat as much as I can, try to gain weight, but it never works. My dad's real slim, too, and his dad, etc... Any hints on how to gain weight in a good way? Because I even tried to unhealthy way, eating a lot of fat-crap, but that didn' work either.
You weigh the same as me but have 10cm more height. So you must be like a twig. Look up "Parmo" on wiki for weight gain tips |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 26-01-2013 08:22
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Jeez, what's that thing am I supposed to eat that, or is it going to eat me? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-01-2013 08:27
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Ian Butler wrote:
Well, I did have an internship at an elementary school, which isn't heavy lifting but demanding physically anyway. I just had some sandwiches to eat, so I don't think there was anything wrong there.
Though I remember that my dad has an Athletic Heart Syndrom, I do'nt know if that could be a possible connection? Though you said it was probably not connected to the heart. (hope so!)
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Usually about half an hour, it was a tad longer yesterday though, about 45 minutes.
Oops, I missed the answers to this thread...
30 to 45 minutes isn't enough for power training. Especially if there was gluten in your sandwich (there's gluten in every type of bread, except for those that are specifically gluten-less).
I guess that could be what caused it. Whenever the effort gets too intense, the stomach starts burning and it feels like it's lit a fire in the middle of the chest. Just slow down and the feeling's gone, accelerate again and it's back.
It seems to match your symptoms, isn't it ?
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Just one more related question, maybe.
I'm gonna build up, and my ultimate goal is to be in great climbing shape for my holiday in Barcelonette. So usually I do a lot of power-training, to train the strength of my upper legs. I do less stamina-training. But I've no idea if that's the right approach. So does it matter if I do a lot of power-training, or should I start with stamina, riding longer and steadier instead of one-hour power training schedules?
As wacko said, the classical approach is to to endurance rides first, then power training. Of course it's not so black and white, you start with endurance first, then add some long low intensity intervals, then increase the intensity and reduce the length of the intervals, but do more series, etc.
Why endurance are done first and not intervals ? Mostly because endurance qualities don't vanish as fast as power qualities (VO2). |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 27-01-2013 02:13
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53kg at 1.79m is fine, you don't need to gain any weight, especially if 53kg is below your average and you expect to go back to 55kg. I used to be super skinny like that, and I still am, but I put on more weight in the form of more developed muscles. So it will come naturally after you ride for a few years.
As for training, most guys are in base still for the next couple of weeks. It takes ~6 weeks of serious power work to reach your highest level, but even riding base and throwing in some hard efforts (not necessarily all out, max heart rate) on climbs and whatnot will make stronger. Aquarius nailed it actually. Bottom line, it will help you more to do the "one-hour power training schedules" closer to your vacation, and longer rides with just some fun hard efforts now.
As for your vacation, I actually spent a week in Jausiers, and I saw you wanted some ideas in the other thread so I'll just post here. The Col de la Bonnette is an amazing climb, you HAVE to do it. There is also some stuff north of Jausiers that would be worth checking out, like the Col de Vars, which is a beautiful climb with old little buildings and stuff on the side of the road, and Ste Anne Ski Resort (on the left side of the road going north), which is very steep and pretty nice because there isn't any traffic. The Col de Larche is cool because it goes to the Italian border, but its not too hard (I did it in the big ring) and there aren't any switchbacks.
Then there is a beast of a ride called Les Tres Cols, which does a couple of the climbs you mentioned in the other thread. You go up the Col de Cayolle (absolutely beautiful towards the top, there is like a nature reserve or something, breathtaking), descend and go up the Col des Champs (tough climb, kind of steep), then go up the backside of the Col de Allos. Its a beast of a ride, but I did it in my first year of riding so I think anyone can get through it if you really want to, and you will have the best sense of accomplishment. But I really don't know where your fitness is, so it may even be nothing for you
Yeah I rode all around this area, let me know if you have any questions. I can tell you how long it takes a first year, relatively good climber to do each of the climbs
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-01-2013 08:54
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Well, I started cycling longer ago, I'm just now starting this season (I take a few months off in the fall/winter). I've climbed my very first mountain when I was 12 (Alpe d'Huez), so the suggested route sounds very interesting to me! Fact is, because of my weight and constitution and preference, the more mountains, the better. I weight too less to ride well on the flat, but on the mountains it's all to my advantage.
I've climbed the Bonnette once before, from Jausier (and then went on to Isola 2000), and I remember vaguely it was a beautiful but long climb.
Thanks for the tips, will definitely take them into account! I've heard a lot about Col de Vars, but never climbed it, so will look it up for sure! |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-01-2013 08:26
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Bushwackers wrote:
53kg at 1.79m is fine,
Well, it is not. Serious underweight is pretty much unhealthy i believe.
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 28-01-2013 09:23
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In terms of the weight I just looked up a few climbers on wikipedia for reference:
Purito: 1.69 m / 57 kg
Antón: 1.73 m / 59 kg
Pantani: 1.72 m / 57 kg
Michael Rasmussen: 1.74 m / 59 kg
Rolland: 1.84 m / 71 kg
Henao: 1.73 m / 61 kg
Quintana: 1.69 m / 61 kg
Conclusion: Gaining a bit of weight won't hurt
My reccomendation would be to make sure you get something to eat right after your rides. At that time the body is hungry and will be more likely to store for later use. Make sure there's plenty of protein as well to make sure you have something to build muscle from
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 28-01-2013 10:04
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Yeah, I usually eat some scrambed eggs (and spinach/bread) after riding
I'll aim for Purito's weight, because he's the same length and boy, can he climb |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 28-01-2013 10:05
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Purito's height is wrong. He is 169 cm big.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 28-01-2013 10:08
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Oh well, still good enough. Like I said, it's in my constitution. In fact I'm very healthy, no health hazards (except for the thread's topic but that was only once so far). And I've climber this summer and it felt good. Don't feel like an Anorexia nervosa or something. Have plenty of energy to go around |
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| ReimToast |
Posted on 28-01-2013 10:18
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
It is generally accepted that you should do longer, slower rides at the beginning of the season to build fitness and stamina then mix in more power rides later on, although how much actual science this is based on, I don't know.
Yeah, every coach I've had has told me to work on base first after a rest period. Usually 4 - 6 weeks minimum of long, slow rides with little to no efforts. Generally started out at around the 100k mark, and building up to 170k's towards to end of the period. I don't know what your fitness and riding ability is like, but that was how I rode. It also depended on how fit I was after the rest period.
As for the chest pains, I'd be cautious. I'm a little late to the party here, but all the advice that I've read seems to be the same sort of things that I'd suggest. You know, backing it off a little, seeing a doctor if anything else happens, fluids, eating etc.
The weight (or lack of) might be a problem, but it doesn't sound like it has anything to do with it (no guarantees). After other fuel sources have been used by your body, it will usually start burning protein. When your body does this, most people experience a metallic taste/smell in the back of their throat. As for other issues that may be associated with that, I'm not sure.
And just to join in on the discussion, I'm just over 6'4" (I can never remember which way around the " and ' go, but whatever) or 195 cm, and weigh 82 kg. 10 months ago I was spot on 6'4" and 69 kg. Still hated those bloody hills though 
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