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| lokytrew |
Posted on 03-11-2012 15:26
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jsh312mufc wrote:
Flair wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Why?
Because he was 2nd to a dirty filthy drugs cheat.#
Its like coming 2nd to Contador. Everyone knows your the real winner.
precisely. i might forgive vino if he actually apologized and accepted what he did was wrong, but he hasnt
Apologize for using doping? Why on earth would you do that? I'm not saying doping is good but apologizing is not really necessary. Your 'Uran Olympic Champion' thing is just sad. Vino raced like a champion and deserved to win.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 03-11-2012 15:33
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I have to agree with lokytrew on this one. His win had nothing to do with doping. It was a break, Uran had the advantage and screwed up. His head wasn't in it.
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| juszta |
Posted on 03-11-2012 15:44
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The discussion above doesn't really belong to this topic, so let's just continue with some news:
SKY:
"Today Gabriel Rasch revealed during the off-season he's a second division ice hockey player in Norway!" (I'm quite sure it hasn't been mentioned before)
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-11-2012 19:00
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Flair wrote:
Well you can either assume all cyclists use drugs.
Or you can assume they are clean until there is pretty conclusive proof they have doped. As far as I am aware, Uran has never been involved/linked to etc doping. Hense you assume his clean, because without a fair reason you give people the benefit of the doubt.
Hense my previous statement. The point is, I dont know your not, but without a good reason you give people the benefit of the doubt.
Which i would have thought was fairly obvious. I was merely giving a stupid question an equally stupid reply.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-11-2012 19:08
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lokytrew wrote:
Apologize for using doping? Why on earth would you do that?
Yes, why? I really think he hasn't mocked the fans enough. He should shit in a bottle, put a firecracker inside and throw it to the fans in the road side. Then he would have disrepected the fans.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-11-2012 19:17
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LOL @ the idea of Vino apologizing for anything or doing anything even remotely ethical.
As people go Vino is one of the most disgusting around. And that's without considering doping.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 03-11-2012 19:34
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Speaking of Vino: https://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/03-11...7245.shtml
Looks like he actually did buy the LBL victory!
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| Wilier |
Posted on 03-11-2012 19:38
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If that's true then I have little doubts he bought the Olympic title too. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 03-11-2012 19:55
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There was a pic of his bank account that said something like 1,00,000 Euros and it said it was paid to Kolobnev. It was just a picture, but that was pretty much proof, imo and that was a while back.
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 03-11-2012 19:56
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Aquarius wrote:He's Colombian, he's ridden for Tenax, Unibet, Caisse d'Épargne and now Sky. Nothing to see.
Marco Pinotti is Italian and has ridden for Saunier Duval and T-Mobile Team, and yet is still considered clean by many. Don't you think it's wrong to judge people just by nationality and association? If we do that, nobody is clean in cycling. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-11-2012 20:14
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Vino is awesome just buys all his results! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-11-2012 20:30
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Wilier wrote:
If that's true then I have little doubts he bought the Olympic title too.
Personally I'm quite sure he did. Urán suddenly soft pedalled and looked off into the crowd for a while when the sprint was being prepared. NOBODY DOES THAT. It was a very transparent attempt to let Vino get the jump.
And then of course he chases vino for a bit, looks down and makes a grimace of pain to sell the idea that he doesn't have any more in him.
Riiiiight. At least Kolobnev sold it convincingly.
Edited by issoisso on 03-11-2012 20:30
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| cio93 |
Posted on 03-11-2012 21:38
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issoisso wrote:
Wilier wrote:
If that's true then I have little doubts he bought the Olympic title too.
Personally I'm quite sure he did. Urán suddenly soft pedalled and looked off into the crowd for a while when the sprint was being prepared. NOBODY DOES THAT. It was a very transparent attempt to let Vino get the jump.
And then of course he chases vino for a bit, looks down and makes a grimace of pain to sell the idea that he doesn't have any more in him.
Riiiiight. At least Kolobnev sold it convincingly.
That would require a huge amount of money for me to do. LBL, maybe. But I wouldn't give away an Olympic gold medal for money, at least not without making me a millionaire.
There's probably a different mentality amongst pro riders, though.
But yeah, it looked suspiciously.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 03-11-2012 22:54
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I have come up with a punishment for all cheaters that I guarantee will end all cheating forever.
Take the whole sum of money that they have made as a direct result of cheating (price money, sponsor payments, etc) from thet whole period in question, convert it all to Vietnamese Dong coins and have each coin inserted rectally.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 04-11-2012 00:58
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Let's have a look at it again.
https://www.youtub...mp;t=1m47s
Uran is in the last 300 meters of the Olympic road race with just one rider to beat. He knows Vinokourov is behind him. In this extremely important situation, the rider in front should be obsessed with just one thing: not losing track of the other for as much as a second.
Uran looks back over his left shoulder and doesn't see Vinokourov. This should trigger anyone with a functioning brain to instantly KNOW that his opponent is passing him on the right side. He can't have vanished.
But Uran chooses to spend more than a second looking for chasers. He sees none; they haven't rounded the corner yet. Being this close to the finish they can now be considered harmless, allowing Uran to fully focus on the only threat remaining: the rider that should have been behind him, but was not. Now would surely be the time to start looking for him. What does Uran do?
He slows down and steers all the way to the left (!) while staring straight ahead into the crowd... 
He keeps staring straight ahead some more until he finally sees Vinokourov, who is now meters ahead already. From the moment Uran looks back to the moment he finally looks to the right, there are 4 (!) seconds in which he defies all logic and ignores the one thing he should obsessively focus on.
Uran either completely zoned out (while the adrenalin was rushing through his brain) or he was trying his hand at being an actor.
I find the latter more likely.
EDIT: added &t=1m47s to the YouTube link
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| The-Pot |
Posted on 04-11-2012 03:33
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How does that make Uran a winner in any way? How is the one who pays more cheater than the one who is paid? |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 04-11-2012 09:06
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The-Pot wrote:
How does that make Uran a winner in any way? How is the one who pays more cheater than the one who is paid?
Exactly, this. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 04-11-2012 09:24
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Wilier wrote:
The-Pot wrote:
How does that make Uran a winner in any way? How is the one who pays more cheater than the one who is paid?
Exactly, this.
Indeed.
If anything, Vino deserves it more than Uran. For him it was worth giving a lot of money, for Uran it wasn't even worth fighting over. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 04-11-2012 09:35
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What convinces me is how Uran just looks straight forward after looking back at the chasing group.
Taking a look over his shoulder is one thing. Incredibly stupid, but still a believable thing to do.
Turning forward again, only to look straight ahead instead of marking Vino isn't. You'd have to be completely retarded to do that. It takes him way too long to realize Vino's attack for it to even look realistic.
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| lokytrew |
Posted on 04-11-2012 10:07
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Once I heard on Belgian television that it is quite normal that the winner pays the second place a sum of money to win. They called it a 'gentleman's agreement'
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