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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:42
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valverde321 wrote:
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Wow, nobody mentioning EBH? Really?
What about Sagan?
They are both very young and can still change. EBH could be compeding for the GC in TDF in 5-7 years.
they are both established already
and EBH is 24 thats old for a next gen rider
No it's not, you can be a top-notch cyclist until you're 35-37. So 24 is very young. And they are established for sure, but not molded into what they want to be. If you catch my drift young bull?
I disagree with the age aspect. Wasn't Evans one of the oldest Tour de France winners ever at 34? For me a riders peak is 28-33 ish.
Tour de France winners aged 32 or older wince World War II:
Bartali 1948
Zoetemelk 1980
Armstrong 2005
Evans 2010
Bartali in a weird race in a weird field, Zoetemelk because Hinault was injured and the field sucked, Armstrong saved himself to race just the Tour every year, and Evans took advantage of a bunch of guys not being in form.
Peak years are definitely a lot younger.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:44
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issoisso wrote:
Peak years are definitely a lot younger.
Someone should tell Wiggins.
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| Smal |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:45
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Wiggins won the tour at 32 as well. Notice how three have been in the last 10 years. I'd say with how science in sport is advancing that riders peaks can go on until they're older than 32. |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:46
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cio93 wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
Wow, nobody mentioning EBH? Really?
What about Sagan?
They are both very young and can still change. EBH could be compeding for the GC in TDF in 5-7 years.
they are both established already
and EBH is 24 thats old for a next gen rider
No it's not, you can be a top-notch cyclist until you're 35-37. So 24 is very young. And they are established for sure, but not molded into what they want to be. If you catch my drift young bull?
I disagree with the age aspect. Wasn't Evans one of the oldest Tour de France winners ever at 34? For me a riders peak is 28-33 ish.
Woooow, really? You can be a top-notch rider in the age of 35-37. Im not talking about winning GT's, im talking about not being a shitbag of a cyclist.
Sure, but isn't this about guys who will start to win GTs/classics in 5-10 years rather than about some who stop doing so in 5-10 years?
Of course it is, and in 5-7 years EBH would be at his peak and start winning/competing GT's and ST's at the age of 29-31.
But whatever, we dont need this thread to be an oldschool thread. Where it's Norway vs. The Rest. So i rest my case.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:47
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Wiggins focused on road racing later than most riders though. When you say when someone will peak you also have to consider how long they've been riding at a top level. EBH has been around for an while now and I doubt he will be as good when he will be Evans/Wiggo's age.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:50
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alexkr00 wrote:When you say when someone will peak you also have to consider how long they've been riding at a top level
Yep. Petacchi and McEwen showed up at 26 or older. That's why they lasted as long (and to be fair, Petacchi started declining heavily after 2005). There is zero chance Sagan or Cavendish will last until those ages as they are now.
If you want to see at what age Cavendish or Sagan are likely to start declining, look at Boonen.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:54
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alexkr00 wrote:
Wiggins focused on road racing later than most riders though. When you say when someone will peak you also have to consider how long they've been riding at a top level. EBH has been around for an while now and I doubt he will be as good when he will be Evans/Wiggo's age.
Wiggins has been a pro since he was 22, and rode his first GT at age 23. He could have been more focused on the track, but it isn't like he wasn't doing any road races.
Sorry for hijacking the thread though. Back to topic:
Lachlan Morton. Yes, again, because he's this good.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:56
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GC
Joseph Lloyd Dombrowski
Fabio Aru
Andrew Talansky
Nairo Quintana
Wilco Keldermen (Didn't add before becuase already known)
Anyone who joins Sky
Classics
Moreno Moser
Andrew Fenn
Tosh Van der Sande
Bob Jungels
Sprinters
Arnaud Demare
Adrein Petit
Edited by baseballlover312 on 10-08-2012 18:05
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| Wilier |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:58
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*Checks CQ-ranking for best riders born in 1990 or later.
Peter Sagan
Moreno Moser
Taylor Phinney
Thibaut Pinot
Nacer Bouhanni
Arnaud Demare
Michal Kwiatkowski
Nairo Quintana
Adrien Petit
Michael Matthews
Luke Durbridge
Tom Dumoulin
Fabio Felline
Rohan Dennis
Esteban Chaves
Andrew Fenn
Wilco Kelderman
Bob Jungels
Romain Bardet
Georg Preidler
Yoeri Havik
Tom Van Asbroeck
Pello Bilbao
Fabio Aru
Guillaume Van Keirsbulck
Adiq Othman
Sebastian Lander
Adam Phelan
Alexey Lutsenko
Seems like a nice list.  And still some guys missing.
Edited by Wilier on 10-08-2012 17:59
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 10-08-2012 17:59
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Kelderman yet. I mean, he's only 21 and he has already proven himself against the big guys on two occasions this year.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 10-08-2012 18:09
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Wilier wrote:
*Checks CQ-ranking for best riders born in 1990 or later.
Peter Sagan
Moreno Moser
Taylor Phinney
Thibaut Pinot
Nacer Bouhanni
Arnaud Demare
Michal Kwiatkowski
Nairo Quintana
Adrien Petit
Michael Matthews
Luke Durbridge
Tom Dumoulin
Fabio Felline
Rohan Dennis
Esteban Chaves
Andrew Fenn
Wilco Kelderman
Bob Jungels
Romain Bardet
Georg Preidler
Yoeri Havik
Tom Van Asbroeck
Pello Bilbao
Fabio Aru
Guillaume Van Keirsbulck
Adiq Othman
Sebastian Lander
Adam Phelan
Alexey Lutsenko
Seems like a nice list. And still some guys missing.
That list + Joseph Dombrowski, Mattia Cattaneo, Mikel Landa and Jetse Bol (september 1989) is basically it 
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 10-08-2012 18:10
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Bob Jungels is one of the riders that I really have great hopes on. |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 10-08-2012 18:18
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Im just going to throw Kristoffer Skjerping in the mix, he is born in 1992. And has been called the next EBH. Just saying.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 10-08-2012 18:24
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Too bad Sky can't sign them all. |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 10-08-2012 18:42
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Bob Jungels and Moreno Moser will be beasts in the future. And then there are riders like Quintana, Chaves Rubio, Dombrowski, Morton and Aru who in a few years time might be the top contenders of the Grand Tours.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-08-2012 18:57
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I won't throw too many names in, because there are at least a dozen of people here who know pro cyclists better than I.
Though, I have a few points to make :
If a rider is strong enough, he might dominate G.T. during more than half a decade, if not a whole decade, so, all the guys named above might only get podium spots, or seldom win a G.T. Names coming to my mind here are Froome, Contador, etc. They're still young enough to own G.C. until 2018 or something.
Another thing is that some riders peak very young, look like prospect, but never really improve. Cunego, Popovych, etc. Among those named above, it's reasonable to think the same will happen to some of them.
Classics are more random, who could have said, except for Dr Iraburgen, that Gilbert who was so dominating last season would be nothing more than a random top 10 contender in monuments this season. It was unlikely, yet it happened.
That kind of things aside, Sagan looks like an obvious cannibal for those races. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-08-2012 19:01
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Wilier wrote:
Too bad Sky can't sign them all.
Wait for Paris Saint-Germain to start a cycling team with their oil money, you'll see that it's possible to sign them all.
Just replace Chesea with Sky. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-08-2012 19:39
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If you're talking about new generation, what aboit Jens Voigt, rides like a young promising rider, I think he has a great future ahead of him
He'll ride for many years to come  |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 10-08-2012 23:23
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This could be a good talk too. Who's the best old rider? Once again, CQ is my friend. Here are the current best riders born in 1975 or earlier.
Spoiler Davide Rebellin
Chris Horner
Levi Leipheimer
Alexandre Vinokourov
Stuart O'Grady
Alessandro Petacchi
André Schulze
David Moncoutie
Sébastien Hinault
Marzio Bruseghin
Bert Grabsch
Victor Niño Corredor
Kam-Po Wong
George Hincapie
Stefano Garzelli
Matteo Tosatto
Fortunato Baliani
Nicki Sörensen
Andreas Klöden
Bert De Waele
Michael Barry
Jens Voigt
Dirk Müller
Danilo Hondo
Hossein Askari
Too bad Radioshack can't sign them all. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 10-08-2012 23:24
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Old riders I will say two names:
Voigt
Vinokourov
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