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2011 World Championships Road Cycling - Copenhagen
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 04-09-2011 17:13
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owks wrote:
The Belgian will have a great team to win this with Gilbert , Van Avermaet and Boonen. But even so they need to drop the pure sprinters and the route won't help much.
I doubt they can make the race hard enough for Gilbert to win. And it just pisses me off that van Avermaet says they should go all out for Gilbert while he or Boonen should have better chances.
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 04-09-2011 17:34
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hi a guy from dk here(me)
everyone with a little knowledge to DK konw that it's a flat country....
but the final "hill/Climb" should be pretty nasty after 200 km I think.
so dont think that a casual sprinter wins this.....
I think that UCI try to make cycling more popular worldwide by taking WC to some countries that doesnt have the wildest climbs.... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-09-2011 21:10
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People complain sprinters don't get enough chance so that's why a flat WC should be allowed..
I find that argument laughable if you see how many sprinters have won the last 10 years
2001 - Oscar Freire (2nd Bettini 3rd Hauptman)
2002 - Mario Cipollini (2nd McEwen 3rd Zabel)
2003 - Igor Astarloa (2nd Valverde 3rd Van Petegem)
2004 - Oscar Freire (2nd Zabel 3rd Paolini)
2005 - Tom Boonen (2nd Valverde 3rd Geslin)
2006 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Zabel 3rd Valverde)
2007 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Schumacher)
2008 - Alessandro Ballan (2nd Cunego 3rd Breschel)
2009 - Cadel Evans (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Rodriguez)
2010 - Thor Hushovd (2nd Breschel 3rd Davis
Thats 5x a sprinter... and 2 times when a non-sprinter won (arguable with Bettini, who won flat mass sprints as well in his career), at least one finished on the podium.
Either it's a sprinter, or a classic man.
An actual climber winning hasn't happened for quite a while, although you could call Evans one as winner of the TDF after all. But both Evans and Rodriguez are notable puncheurs as well.
A world championships around an actual mountain is really done far too less in comparison to worlds for classics racers or sprinters |
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-09-2011 21:10
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People complain sprinters don't get enough chance so that's why a flat WC should be allowed..
I find that argument laughable if you see how many sprinters have won the last 10 years
2001 - Oscar Freire (2nd Bettini 3rd Hauptman)
2002 - Mario Cipollini (2nd McEwen 3rd Zabel)
2003 - Igor Astarloa (2nd Valverde 3rd Van Petegem)
2004 - Oscar Freire (2nd Zabel 3rd Paolini)
2005 - Tom Boonen (2nd Valverde 3rd Geslin)
2006 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Zabel 3rd Valverde)
2007 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Schumacher)
2008 - Alessandro Ballan (2nd Cunego 3rd Breschel)
2009 - Cadel Evans (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Rodriguez)
2010 - Thor Hushovd (2nd Breschel 3rd Davis
Thats 5x a sprinter... and 2 times when a non-sprinter won (arguable with Bettini, who won flat mass sprints as well in his career), at least one finished on the podium.
Either it's a sprinter, or a classic man.
An actual climber winning hasn't happened for quite a while, although you could call Evans one as winner of the TDF after all. But both Evans and Rodriguez are notable puncheurs as well.
A world championships around an actual mountain is really done far too less in comparison to worlds for classics racers or sprinters |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 22:00
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ruben wrote:
People complain sprinters don't get enough chance so that's why a flat WC should be allowed..
I agree that flat WC's should be allowed.
I also agree that they have been too flat over the past ten years, although I get 3 non sprinters
As I have only been watching the worlds since 2008 I have to sat that they are yet to disappoint me as far as drama goes, and as long as that is kept up, I don't care what the course looks like.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 22:27
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ruben wrote:
People complain sprinters don't get enough chance so that's why a flat WC should be allowed..
I find that argument laughable if you see how many sprinters have won the last 10 years
2001 - Oscar Freire (2nd Bettini 3rd Hauptman)
2002 - Mario Cipollini (2nd McEwen 3rd Zabel)
2003 - Igor Astarloa (2nd Valverde 3rd Van Petegem)
2004 - Oscar Freire (2nd Zabel 3rd Paolini)
2005 - Tom Boonen (2nd Valverde 3rd Geslin)
2006 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Zabel 3rd Valverde)
2007 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Schumacher)
2008 - Alessandro Ballan (2nd Cunego 3rd Breschel)
2009 - Cadel Evans (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Rodriguez)
2010 - Thor Hushovd (2nd Breschel 3rd Davis
Thats 5x a sprinter... and 2 times when a non-sprinter won (arguable with Bettini, who won flat mass sprints as well in his career), at least one finished on the podium.
Either it's a sprinter, or a classic man.
An actual climber winning hasn't happened for quite a while, although you could call Evans one as winner of the TDF after all. But both Evans and Rodriguez are notable puncheurs as well.
A world championships around an actual mountain is really done far too less in comparison to worlds for classics racers or sprinters
In the 90's Duitama, Agrigento, Oslo, Lugano were all very hilly. I think there where complains that one day riders didn't have much chances in those wc's so that's why there were more 'classical wc's'. Maybe the wc's in the 2010's will be more hilly again!
Edited by Spilak23 on 12-09-2011 22:31
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-09-2011 22:56
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ruben wrote:
People complain sprinters don't get enough chance so that's why a flat WC should be allowed..
I find that argument laughable if you see how many sprinters have won the last 10 years
2001 - Oscar Freire (2nd Bettini 3rd Hauptman)
2002 - Mario Cipollini (2nd McEwen 3rd Zabel)
2003 - Igor Astarloa (2nd Valverde 3rd Van Petegem)
2004 - Oscar Freire (2nd Zabel 3rd Paolini)
2005 - Tom Boonen (2nd Valverde 3rd Geslin)
2006 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Zabel 3rd Valverde)
2007 - Paolo Bettini (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Schumacher)
2008 - Alessandro Ballan (2nd Cunego 3rd Breschel)
2009 - Cadel Evans (2nd Kolobnev 3rd Rodriguez)
2010 - Thor Hushovd (2nd Breschel 3rd Davis
Thats 5x a sprinter... and 2 times when a non-sprinter won (arguable with Bettini, who won flat mass sprints as well in his career), at least one finished on the podium.
Either it's a sprinter, or a classic man.
An actual climber winning hasn't happened for quite a while, although you could call Evans one as winner of the TDF after all. But both Evans and Rodriguez are notable puncheurs as well.
A world championships around an actual mountain is really done far too less in comparison to worlds for classics racers or sprinters
This. For a sprinter to win there's no need to have such a dull course.
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| siwi |
Posted on 12-09-2011 23:07
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To early to say that it is so easy imo. Im not sure at all it will be a pure sprinter that wins.
Edited by siwi on 12-09-2011 23:07
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-09-2011 23:17
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siwi wrote:
To early to say that it is so easy imo. Im not sure at all it will be a pure sprinter that wins.
I'm not sure either, but not due to the (absence of) difficulty of the course, but rather by the fact that it'll most likely end in a sprint over a 4% slope after 260km.
Still, the only non sprinter I can see winning is Phil.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 12-09-2011 23:19
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Anyone have an idea who are the main favourites for the U23 race? For the time-trial, I believe it's Durbridge and Quaade, but I'm not sure about the road. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 12-09-2011 23:33
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Honestly Canada could have a great U23 year (in perspective, for Canada), with Houle and Boily as well as Boivin (who probably wont survive the hill though) but Boily is a decent sprinter, for being a stage racer.
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| ruben |
Posted on 12-09-2011 23:37
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Well luckily Valkenburg 2012 is hilly. It has the Amstel Gold Race route for a large part, and then local laps with Bemelerberg (easy) and Cauberg (still easy, but not when done multiple times)
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| rorzcp |
Posted on 13-09-2011 00:38
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My Favourites :
RR = Cavendish
TT = Martin
U23
RR = Matthews(back2back)
TT = Durbridge. |
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| rorzcp |
Posted on 13-09-2011 00:42
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Boonen was NOT named in Belgian squad, so no more complaining about him! |
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| Inferio |
Posted on 13-09-2011 08:43
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rorzcp wrote:
My Favourites :
RR = Cavendish
TT = Martin
U23
RR = Matthews(back2back)
TT = Durbridge.
Matthews cannot participate in the U23 race because his member of a WorldTour squad  |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 13-09-2011 08:57
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People miss more demanding courses, but what i really miss is having a WC in central Europe.
Sice 1991 only once in Germany and once in Austria. Last championship in Czechoslovakia was in 1981.
I think Czech Republic or Slovakia would deserve a WC (possible nice profile,Prague or Bratislava would be great for tv coverage) with some great cycling talents in those countries.
But maybe the problem is on the national federations side, bunch of amateurs leads the cycling unions in these countries.
This year some "fresh wind" in it with Copenhagen and Austaralia year before, but then again the famous loop Netherlands,Italy,Spain. I know they are the countries with best cyclists and races now (except Netherlands ), but i am bored with it.
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| Inferio |
Posted on 13-09-2011 13:12
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
People miss more demanding courses, but what i really miss is having a WC in central Europe.
Sice 1991 only once in Germany and once in Austria. Last championship in Czechoslovakia was in 1981.
I think Czech Republic or Slovakia would deserve a WC (possible nice profile,Prague or Bratislava would be great for tv coverage) with some great cycling talents in those countries.
But maybe the problem is on the national federations side, bunch of amateurs leads the cycling unions in these countries.
This year some "fresh wind" in it with Copenhagen and Austaralia year before, but then again the famous loop Netherlands,Italy,Spain. I know they are the countries with best cyclists and races now (except Netherlands ), but i am bored with it.
Honestly I think you Slovakian guys have maybe some chance in the future, but Czech Republic is totally unthinkable because our cycling federation sucks much more than it even can suck. Last year we had one 1.2 race and this year one 2.2 race (exception are good junior and women races) - and the interest from international teams? Laughable. There is no way we can beat other candidate countries in the near future. :-/ |
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| joerre |
Posted on 13-09-2011 13:52
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boonen is not participating. the belgian team is : Philippe Gilbert
Jürgen Roelandts
Johan Vansummeren
Nick Nuyens
Greg Van Avermaet
Kevin De Weert
Olivier Kaisen
Björn Leukemans
Klaas Lodewyck
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| rorzcp |
Posted on 13-09-2011 14:02
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Italy - Manuel Belletti and Sacha Modolo (Colnago CSF), Daniele Bennati (Leopard Trek), Oscar Gatto and Giovanni Visconti (Farnese Vini- Neri), Francesco Gavazzi (Lampre ISD), Daniel Oss and Elia Viviani (Liquigas Cannondale), Luca Paolini (Katusha) and Matteo Tosatto (Saxo Bank-SunGard).
TT = Marco Pinotti (HTC-Highroad) and Adriano Malori (Lampre-ISD) |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 13-09-2011 14:08
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I hope the race won't go as last year's WC. All th epuncheurs tried something, and in the end a big group (50-70 riders?) sprint for the win.... Okay. Hushovd is a great world champ, all credits for him. But to me, a WC should be a lot tougher, that a maximum of 10 riders can sprint for the win (let's say a Liege-Bastogne-Liege kind of race).
And I really don't mind seeing a WC in the alps, with the Madeleine, Galibier and finish on top of the Alpe d'Huez.. Would be great and something different. Then the next year can be pancake-flat again.
For this year. my prediction is 1. Matti Breschel, 2. Peter Sagan, 3. Tyler Farrar.
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