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The frustration thread - 2011
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-10-2011 15:55
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I was playing a couple of weeks ago. I hd hushovd finally beeting Farrar and Cav in my custom team. He wins, everything is fine, and then the game crashes. I wanted to pull my hair out. Then I try to put a TGA shirt ingame, and my riders turn into black silhouettes, ruining my game. I delete the shirt, and it still won't work!!!!
Edited by baseballlover312 on 24-10-2011 15:59
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| Humlesnur |
Posted on 24-10-2011 16:16
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Wiley wrote:
In a custom team;
Coming 2nd in Flech, Amstel and L-B-L with Uran, then 2nd in the Giro points comp. with Haussler
2nd in GC and KoM at TDF with Evans
2nd in Vuelta with Kreuziger
2nd in Lombardia with Evans
2nd in the Worlds with Haussler
2nd in the Worlds ITT with Evans
2nd in the UWT rankings with Evans
2nd in UWT Team
2nd in CQ Team
2nd in Victories with Haussler and Team
I just couldn't win!!
That is pretty bad luck although in general did well hehe. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 25-10-2011 03:22
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IN one race i sent back my rider to get drinks for the team and got dropped (even though it was only 20km into the race) and chased alone for the rest of the race and ended up losing 7m 35s |
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| DaBobScotts |
Posted on 25-10-2011 04:30
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Sprinting in general. I love how realistic it now is, but I am sick of being beaten by someone like Leigh Howard when I am using Goss, even though Goss's fitness is 95...
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| dienblad |
Posted on 25-10-2011 08:11
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The most annoyingthing is the narrow roads in the mountain stages, so that your rider(s) gets blocked. In my Monster Energy - story, I had this often. E.g. in the Giro, I was in the pink jersey with Gesink, he is in 2nd-3rd position in a climb, when the breakaway gets caught and my riders is on the wrong side of the road every time, so he falls back because of this slow riding former BOTD-rider, and often looses contact with the group he was in...... So frustrating.....
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| misar82 |
Posted on 25-10-2011 09:33
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dienblad wrote:
The most annoyingthing is the narrow roads in the mountain stages, so that your rider(s) gets blocked. In my Monster Energy - story, I had this often. E.g. in the Giro, I was in the pink jersey with Gesink, he is in 2nd-3rd position in a climb, when the breakaway gets caught and my riders is on the wrong side of the road every time, so he falls back because of this slow riding former BOTD-rider, and often looses contact with the group he was in...... So frustrating.....
It is frustrating but you can avoid it by using the "dot strategy" with your leader, specially at the beginning of a climb
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| cio93 |
Posted on 25-10-2011 10:13
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misar82 wrote:
dienblad wrote:
The most annoyingthing is the narrow roads in the mountain stages, so that your rider(s) gets blocked. In my Monster Energy - story, I had this often. E.g. in the Giro, I was in the pink jersey with Gesink, he is in 2nd-3rd position in a climb, when the breakaway gets caught and my riders is on the wrong side of the road every time, so he falls back because of this slow riding former BOTD-rider, and often looses contact with the group he was in...... So frustrating.....
It is frustrating but you can avoid it by using the "dot strategy" with your leader, specially at the beginning of a climb
Not quite. The problem is caused by the solid rider model and thus can't be avoided. It's just luck whether you're on the right side of the road.
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| misar82 |
Posted on 25-10-2011 11:53
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cio93 wrote:
misar82 wrote:
dienblad wrote:
The most annoyingthing is the narrow roads in the mountain stages, so that your rider(s) gets blocked. In my Monster Energy - story, I had this often. E.g. in the Giro, I was in the pink jersey with Gesink, he is in 2nd-3rd position in a climb, when the breakaway gets caught and my riders is on the wrong side of the road every time, so he falls back because of this slow riding former BOTD-rider, and often looses contact with the group he was in...... So frustrating.....
It is frustrating but you can avoid it by using the "dot strategy" with your leader, specially at the beginning of a climb
Not quite. The problem is caused by the solid rider model and thus can't be avoided. It's just luck whether you're on the right side of the road.
Not quite. The problem with the solid rider model happens when your rider is in "keep position" mode. At the start of the climb many riders will increase effort . If yours happens to be behind one who is not increasing pace, he will be blocked and fall behind - because the AI is taking the rider right in front of you as the reference to keep position. If you use the dot right before the start of the climb you can get to the front of the group easily and avoid the problem.
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| ruben |
Posted on 25-10-2011 12:17
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You are wrong misar82.
I always ride uphill in the dot strategy. Never keep position. And even there it happens you get blocked on narrow roads when passing breakaways/slower riders.
And I've played countless mountain stages in PCM 11 so you can stop the attitude and accept you're wrong, it even happens with the dot mode. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 25-10-2011 12:22
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ruben wrote:
You are wrong misar82.
I always ride uphill in the dot strategy. Never keep position. And even there it happens you get blocked on narrow roads when passing breakaways/slower riders.
And I've played countless mountain stages in PCM 11 so you can stop the attitude and accept you're wrong, it even happens with the dot mode.
Ruben and Cio93 are right of course, i xperience it too with the "dot". It is the most frustrative thing in Pcm 11 for me.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 25-10-2011 13:51
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To get to the front and (hopefully) avoid being blocked at the start of a climb I usually dot my rider with someone protecting him a short while before the beginning of the climb.
A few times I've been able to actually get a good lead before the climb. Maybe not even a full minute, but it still means that my opponents have to use a lot of energy to get to me. When they reach me I just attack and leave them in the dust.
As much as I love the new solid rider models, it can be really frustrating. |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 25-10-2011 14:28
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My water carriers always lose contact with the peloton when I make them get water, and I hate it when my team is in bad shape. They are all around 80 (not that good, I know) but now in the TDF they never manage to stay in the peloton! (even my leaders, Frank and Denifl!). It is not because of me, normally I am able to win stages, but for some reasons my riders are already exhausted after the first climb! (I am now in week 2 of the Tour and Denifl is best of my team in the GC, position 85)
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 25-10-2011 14:28
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Yes I always get blocked on the narrow mtns even when I have do.Frankly, the ai isnt good enough to get out of the way, and you can't move side to side. It's very frustrting. In my game Dan Martin was about to win the 2013 Giro for me, and a BOTD rider got dropped and blocked him, dropping him and losing my giro to Scarponi.
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| misar82 |
Posted on 25-10-2011 20:25
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ruben wrote:
You are wrong misar82.
I always ride uphill in the dot strategy. Never keep position. And even there it happens you get blocked on narrow roads when passing breakaways/slower riders.
And I've played countless mountain stages in PCM 11 so you can stop the attitude and accept you're wrong, it even happens with the dot mode.
I was simply giving a tip to someone that seemed to think the problem is unavoidable. As you say, even wihen you use the dot there are blocks, but in my own experience when gaming, not using the dot on a climb makes the problem much worse. So you can stop the attitude and read the posts a bit more carefully 
"Between me and Eddie Merkcx we have won all the classics. I won the Paris-Tours, he won all the rest"
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| Wiley |
Posted on 25-10-2011 23:13
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I agree with misar82
I always uss dot on climbs and almost never get blocked.
A recent fustration, the AI always catching a break with one of my riders (baring a crash), but always wanting my help to catch breaks o have no one in, even iff im not a favorite
Ferrari-BA > Psuedo Man Game
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 26-10-2011 09:18
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misar82 wrote:
ruben wrote:
You are wrong misar82.
I always ride uphill in the dot strategy. Never keep position. And even there it happens you get blocked on narrow roads when passing breakaways/slower riders.
And I've played countless mountain stages in PCM 11 so you can stop the attitude and accept you're wrong, it even happens with the dot mode.
I was simply giving a tip to someone that seemed to think the problem is unavoidable. As you say, even wihen you use the dot there are blocks, but in my own experience when gaming, not using the dot on a climb makes the problem much worse. So you can stop the attitude and read the posts a bit more carefully
But your tip was not right Ruben just pointed it out.
"Dot" is simply better for riding on mountains (because of better energy consumption control), but it has nothing to do with riders got blocked (that is caused by riders solid models). So when you mix these two things, it looks like the "dot" is better to not being blocked, but it is still the same. (at least according to my gaming experience).
Edit: And of course if you start climb with the big "dot" effort and nobody is in front of you, then nobody can block you. But personally i dont like this style of riding away (i prefer attacking).
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 26-10-2011 09:20
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| misar82 |
Posted on 26-10-2011 09:43
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
misar82 wrote:
ruben wrote:
You are wrong misar82.
I always ride uphill in the dot strategy. Never keep position. And even there it happens you get blocked on narrow roads when passing breakaways/slower riders.
And I've played countless mountain stages in PCM 11 so you can stop the attitude and accept you're wrong, it even happens with the dot mode.
I was simply giving a tip to someone that seemed to think the problem is unavoidable. As you say, even wihen you use the dot there are blocks, but in my own experience when gaming, not using the dot on a climb makes the problem much worse. So you can stop the attitude and read the posts a bit more carefully
But your tip was not right Ruben just pointed it out.
"Dot" is simply better for riding on mountains (because of better energy consumption control), but it has nothing to do with riders got blocked (that is caused by riders solid models). So when you mix these two things, it looks like the "dot" is better to not being blocked, but it is still the same. (at least according to my gaming experience).
Edit: And of course if you start climb with the big "dot" effort and nobody is in front of you, then nobody can block you. But personally i dont like this style of riding away (i prefer attacking).
I see your point, but I still feel when I play that using the dot reduces the blocking effect, because it forces your rider to "fight" the block more decisively than when you are in keep position mode. It might mean a difference between a) lagging a bit behind using the dot or b) falling from the front to the very back of the group in a matter of seconds when you are just keeping position.
"Between me and Eddie Merkcx we have won all the classics. I won the Paris-Tours, he won all the rest"
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| Lachi |
Posted on 26-10-2011 11:08
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This is the frustration thread and not the "dot mountain" thread, but I think I can finalize this debate with one sentence: You rider cannot overtake a blocking rider using the dot, even if you set 99%.
misar82: You seem to talk about something else, you can prevent falling back using the dot, but it is not related to the blocking the others are talking about. |
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| supercameron |
Posted on 27-10-2011 10:46
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i had taaramae as my leader for the vuelta with my sponsor goal of finishing in the top 3. I was coming third with a few stages to go so i decided to sim one of the flat stages to save some time, taaramae then crashed and got injured on that stage leaving my next best GC rider outside the top 25 and unable to meet my sponsor goal |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 27-10-2011 11:28
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supercameron wrote:
i had taaramae as my leader for the vuelta with my sponsor goal of finishing in the top 3. I was coming third with a few stages to go so i decided to sim one of the flat stages to save some time, taaramae then crashed and got injured on that stage leaving my next best GC rider outside the top 25 and unable to meet my sponsor goal
Well, that's bad for you, but not a bad thing of the game. This can happen, also in real life (this year's Tour, 2010 Vuelta with Anton leaving the Vuelta as GC-leader with a broken collarbone...)
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